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Apple's iMessage avoids EU's Digital Markets Act regulation

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Re: Apple's iMessage avoids EU's Digital Markets Act regulation

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The usage of iMessage in Europe is vastly inferior to the usage of it in America.

I think that was a reasonable argument from Apple and the European Commission agreed.

But the thing is, apple obviously wants for people to use iPhones in Europe and to use their services just like in America. But they are now very much aware that this sort of market dominance won't come for free like it does in the USA.

Re: Apple's iMessage avoids EU's Digital Markets Act regulation

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TikTok is one of the largest social networks. It absolutely is a gatekeeper to information for millions of EU citizens.

https://www.statista.com/forecasts/1334334/social-media-user...

TikTok is only 3rd in EU, Facebook has 2x the amount of users

Besides, to quote this article:

> However, the EU probe found that iMessage falls outside the legislation because it is not widely used by businesses.

TikTok is not used as social media for "businesses", why include it then? ;)

Microsoft's Bing? lol what about Linkedin?

Debunking propaganda is not a popular thing apparently

Re: Apple's iMessage avoids EU's Digital Markets Act regulation

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, it's not "just a phone". iPhone integrates with the whole Apple ecosystem, so I can copy text on my phone and paste it on my Mac without thinking about it, or AirDrop a large file, or use it as a remote control for my Apple TV, and so forth. It's just as much part of the Apple ecosystem everywhere in the world, even if you don't use iMessage. You're not getting anything like that if you're using Android a…

Not a lot of people here uses a Mac either. Why spend 1500 euros on a Mac when you can buy a windows laptop for 500-700 that does everything the Mac does.

Because it offers a premium experience and NA buyers have a 50% higher disposable income than EU buyers.

Re: Apple's iMessage avoids EU's Digital Markets Act regulation

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The usage of iMessage in Europe is vastly inferior to the usage of it in America. I think that was a reasonable argument from Apple and the European Commission agreed. But the thing is, apple obviously wants for people to use iPhones in Europe and to use their services just like in America. But they are now very much aware that this sort of market dominance won't come for free like it does in the USA.

I'm curious, in what sense did it come "for free" in the USA?

Re: Apple's iMessage avoids EU's Digital Markets Act regulation

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Swiss datapoint: my whole extended family/friends circle has iPhones and they only use WhatsApp (and FaceTime for video). I'm not even sure I ever heard the name "iMessage" before.

> I'm not even sure I ever heard the name "iMessage" before Nobody I know colloquially calls it that in the US either. The app is called "messages", and people just call it "texting"... "on an iPhone". I don't think most people even realize it is not SMS/MMS.

> I don't think most people even realize it is not SMS/MMS

Nobody knows what SMS or MMS are either.

Re: Apple's iMessage avoids EU's Digital Markets Act regulation

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Apple doesn't care about deliverability as a moat. RCS won't moot the blue bubbles so they have no reason not to implement it.

As someone who is intimately familiar with this, iMessage in America has been considered the strongest sales moat of the iPhone of all for years.

I don't dispute any of that. Read what I wrote again.

Re: Apple's iMessage avoids EU's Digital Markets Act regulation

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post #9

Chat protocols being standardized would be way more useful for me as a user than having "alternate app stores". Many app stores is actually a negative for me, going by my experience from Windows gaming.

>going by my experience from Windows gaming.

Could you elaborate? Steam is a negative and Microsoft Store is a positive experience?

Re: Apple's iMessage avoids EU's Digital Markets Act regulation

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post #9

Chat protocols being standardized would be way more useful for me as a user than having "alternate app stores". Many app stores is actually a negative for me, going by my experience from Windows gaming.

Funny thing is that in the telecommunications act it was actually enforced that telecom operators had to interoperate. What's old is new again.

Re: Apple's iMessage avoids EU's Digital Markets Act regulation

#29

The usage of iMessage in Europe is vastly inferior to the usage of it in America. I think that was a reasonable argument from Apple and the European Commission agreed. But the thing is, apple obviously wants for people to use iPhones in Europe and to use their services just like in America. But they are now very much aware that this sort of market dominance won't come for free like it does in the USA.

I'm curious, in what sense did it come "for free" in the USA?

In that the EU does not sit idle once you become a significantly popular player in a given market, not in the sense that they were given free userbase. E.g. in this case if iPhones became more popular then they'd have to open up iMessage where as in the US having market dominance comes with significantly fewer strings attached.

Re: Apple's iMessage avoids EU's Digital Markets Act regulation

#30

The usage of iMessage in Europe is vastly inferior to the usage of it in America. I think that was a reasonable argument from Apple and the European Commission agreed. But the thing is, apple obviously wants for people to use iPhones in Europe and to use their services just like in America. But they are now very much aware that this sort of market dominance won't come for free like it does in the USA.

I'm curious, in what sense did it come "for free" in the USA?

In the U.S.A., people use iMessage by default, because they use text messaging. People don't use texts in Europe (we use WhatsApp and similar, but WhatsApp by a long margin).

The reason people still use texts in the U.S.A. is up for debate, and it's something I've thought about for a long time.

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