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The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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I very much bet it will not. Or if it will they will be selling at a giant loss. Here's another claim from them in 2018 about upcoming cars requiring a technological breakthrough: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/01/12/577688125... .

That's... something completely different? Self-driving cars with no human controls? Wrong link?

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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post #14

I know someone with a 6 year old Tesla X that now has a range of around 120 miles. This is becoming a serious impediment for them. What happens to all the buyers of these vehicles when their range is halved before their life expectancy is up? Needing to pony up another $10-15k will probably be unaffordable for the average Joe.

It just gets baked into the resale price. Some EV’s will still have 80% of their range at 20 years and other will be at 50% in 7 years based on owner behavior, battery chemistry, etc.

Though I doubt your friend’s situation would be much different with an ICE. The only way a new battery isn’t covered by the warranty is if he’s already driven 150k miles before 30% degradation hit, at which point ICE cars also see a dramatic drop in resale value.

As to ~10k to replace a battery, high mileage ICE engines end up needing a lot of work over their lifetime. Many 300k mile car see several sets of spark plugs, various belts, plus some big ticket items like transmission, catalytic converter, or cracked head gasket etc. Batteries just condense all that into one big ticket item which slowly degrades and people can budget for.

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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post #14

I know someone with a 6 year old Tesla X that now has a range of around 120 miles. This is becoming a serious impediment for them. What happens to all the buyers of these vehicles when their range is halved before their life expectancy is up? Needing to pony up another $10-15k will probably be unaffordable for the average Joe.

Hrm, I believe Tesla's warranty is "8 years or 120,000 miles, whichever comes first, with minimum 70% retention of Battery capacity over the warranty period.", so your friend should look into getting a new Tesla!

Also, and I'd love if someone could dig up some data on this, the X and S used an older battery type that has since been replaced by a new chemistry and assembly which degrades quite a lot less than the older nickel based batteries.

TLDR: I think battery degradation varies a lot by make/model/year.

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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post #14

I know someone with a 6 year old Tesla X that now has a range of around 120 miles. This is becoming a serious impediment for them. What happens to all the buyers of these vehicles when their range is halved before their life expectancy is up? Needing to pony up another $10-15k will probably be unaffordable for the average Joe.

That sucks but… duh. Its going the way of disposable consumer electronics. It will take some breakthrough in battery tech to prevent EVs from becoming as (tragically) disposable as our phones.

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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post #8
post #5

I just can’t get excited about large EVs anymore. We need cheaper, smaller EVs in the US yesterday. Looking at the options China and Europe have and comparing to what we have you can really get the sense that car companies here only care about making SUVs/trucks/and _some_ crossovers electric but don’t actually care about making small cars electric because of one thing.. profit. They know they’ll make more money on t…

If regulation is needed to force the existence of electric cars around the 20k mark, that means nobody wants to buy them now

If energy just cost what it actually cost (no fossil fuel subsidies) the rest would follow. The market distortion from gas subsidies has caused this mess, we didn't get to everyone driving a 5000 pound vehicle due to the free market. We got here because of backwards laws and automaker's exploitation of said laws.

Fuel or electricity should cost what it costs. Vehicles need to be taxed according to their externalities. Heavier vehicles have more externalities. Road maintenance, pollution, traffic injuries and fatalities to name a few. I think if we did these things we'd trend back towards reasonable vehicles over time, and that would be a big net win.

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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post #14

I know someone with a 6 year old Tesla X that now has a range of around 120 miles. This is becoming a serious impediment for them. What happens to all the buyers of these vehicles when their range is halved before their life expectancy is up? Needing to pony up another $10-15k will probably be unaffordable for the average Joe.

What year is your friend's Model X and what was the original rated range? All Model Xs sold before 2020 have an 8 year unlimited mile warranty on the drivetrain. If capacity is below 70% original, Tesla will replace the battery for free.

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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post #15
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If regulation is needed to force the existence of electric cars around the 20k mark, that means nobody wants to buy them now

It's amazing to me that people still believe markets work in 2024.

If it would be working, BEVs would not be a thing.

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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post #14

I know someone with a 6 year old Tesla X that now has a range of around 120 miles. This is becoming a serious impediment for them. What happens to all the buyers of these vehicles when their range is halved before their life expectancy is up? Needing to pony up another $10-15k will probably be unaffordable for the average Joe.

My 8 year old Model S has 156k on it and gets around 254 miles on a full charge. New was around 300.

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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post #5

I just can’t get excited about large EVs anymore. We need cheaper, smaller EVs in the US yesterday. Looking at the options China and Europe have and comparing to what we have you can really get the sense that car companies here only care about making SUVs/trucks/and _some_ crossovers electric but don’t actually care about making small cars electric because of one thing.. profit. They know they’ll make more money on t…

What sort of regulation would force smaller cars into the market at that price point?

The small Chinese EVs are universally poor performers in terms of crash safety. You can make a lot of concessions on price when you don't particularly care about the people inside the car. Are those the regulations you're talking about?

I like those regulations.

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