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Deluge, a portable sequencer, synthesizer and sampler

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Re: Deluge, a portable sequencer, synthesizer and sampler

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Post by doctorpangloss »

piltdownman wrote: post #3

I've wanted one of these since release but couldn't quite stomach the $1400 price of entry as the synthesizer part of it - while very full featured - isn't the real use case at a Prosumer-Level and is a needless addition for me. Like most users who drop that kind of money on outboard, all I really wanted here was the 8x16 Sequencer/Sampler for controlling my CV and MIDI synths and drum machines, at maybe a $500-600 p…

> $1400 price of entry as the synthesizer part of it

That's what's special about the "audio" category though. People's brains turn off. The price of an iPhone 14 Max!

But maybe it lets you tap into those latent feelings, "What would it have been like if I had gone to Eastman?"

> premium offerings like Teenage Engineering have

They have like 4/30 non-audio products. Look at them, and feel the magic evaporate. I can only speak to their SFF PC case, it is notoriously bad. Of course their stuff is beautiful, but so are Braun watches, Hay furniture, etc. I am not sure what these product categories tap into emotionally that phones haven't figured out how to yet.

Re: Deluge, a portable sequencer, synthesizer and sampler

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Post by rosmax_1337 »

The name Deluge is already in use.

https://deluge-torrent.org/

I don't think the people behind Deluge BitTorrent Client will sue or even particularly mind that someone else uses the name. But it's a confusing thing for different programs to be named the same thing. For the sake of the users, more than anything, a different name should be considered. If no alternate name is possible, consider using the development team in junction with the program name. I.e., similar to how the Adobe suite works. They don't usually call it just "Illustrator", but instead "Adobe Illustrator".

In this case, it could be called "Synthstrom Deluge" instead.

As a further comment, the problem of naming things in a global namespace is an unsolvable problem. All you can do is try to be polite and avoid causing problems to yourself and others as much as possible, but in the end, lots of people will inevitably be disappointed. It's a case of minimizing discomfort rather than reaching a solution where everyone is happy.

Re: Deluge, a portable sequencer, synthesizer and sampler

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Post by gmueckl »

rosmax_1337 wrote: post #22

The name Deluge is already in use. https://deluge-torrent.org/ I don't think the people behind Deluge BitTorrent Client will sue or even particularly mind that someone else uses the name. But it's a confusing thing for different programs to be named the same thing. For the sake of the users, more than anything, a different name should be considered. If no alternate name is possible, consider using the development tea…

Deluge is a powerful commercial hardware groovebox/synthesizer/sequencer. The manufacturer opened up the firmware after they sold the device for a while. So the name Deluge is an established product name in a completely different namespace. Even trademarks wouldn't help you protect against this kind name collision because they are only valid for their registered product categories.

Re: Deluge, a portable sequencer, synthesizer and sampler

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

rosmax_1337 wrote: post #22

The name Deluge is already in use. https://deluge-torrent.org/ I don't think the people behind Deluge BitTorrent Client will sue or even particularly mind that someone else uses the name. But it's a confusing thing for different programs to be named the same thing. For the sake of the users, more than anything, a different name should be considered. If no alternate name is possible, consider using the development tea…

It's not a program, at least not in the usual sense of that term.

It's a piece of hardware. This is the firmware for that device.

Re: Deluge, a portable sequencer, synthesizer and sampler

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Post by sonjaqql »

piltdownman wrote: post #8
pantulis wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In terms of MIDI grooveboxes, I see Polyend Tracker and Square Hapax are interesting, but they are not cheap either.

Yeah that's the problem with all these boutique sequencer stuff - out of the DAW live performance is tricky unless you buy into the Elektron ecosystem which I don't as a mostly analog purist. As a result I've cheaped out and when not using my beatstep to control the stuff via my DAW I have a Korg SQ64 but its a bit unintuitive flow-wise in terms of live jamming. I end up just using my TR-8S with the 2600 or 303 side-…

The Arturia Beatstep Pro has been the only sequencer I’ve connected with for my modest gate, cv, and midi sync needs. I moved to it after scoring what I thought was a deal on a SQ64. I really wish the SQ64 felt like a playable instrument and didn’t come out of the box with noise issues.

Re: Deluge, a portable sequencer, synthesizer and sampler

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Post by rosmax_1337 »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #24
rosmax_1337 wrote: post #22

The name Deluge is already in use. https://deluge-torrent.org/ I don't think the people behind Deluge BitTorrent Client will sue or even particularly mind that someone else uses the name. But it's a confusing thing for different programs to be named the same thing. For the sake of the users, more than anything, a different name should be considered. If no alternate name is possible, consider using the development tea…

It's not a program, at least not in the usual sense of that term. It's a piece of hardware. This is the firmware for that device.

Once again I was bit by not reading the link thoroughly enough. I hope I'm not the only one that's happened to. ;)

Nonetheless, the problem of naming things actually stands. Trademark law aside, imagine if you tried to make a program like a torrent client called "Volvo". Names exist in a global namespace, and things will collide, and that's bad for everyone involved.

Had I made the original hardware product, I would have named it the "Synthstrom Deluge" to avoid this problem.

Re: Deluge, a portable sequencer, synthesizer and sampler

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Post by 112233 »

piltdownman wrote: post #12
112233 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

PSA: launchpad-pro has official SDK

I've been a Novation fan since the Nova (and even stuck with them through their dodgy 2000s VA phase with things like the X-Station) but the launchpad-pro is crucially missing CV outputs for controlling my semi-modular stuff. Ableton Push 3 allows you to send four CV signals using the footswitch jacks, and for roughly the same price as the Deluge I'd probably go for that given its value proposition: a full i3-1115G4…

I always wonder about CV — how much is voltage drop due to cables and connections? Is there a measurable detuning?

(I'd love if there was a cheap digital version of patching using e.g. I2S and with 1 sample delay per node, but no such thing.. )

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