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Learning to live with musk oxen

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Re: Learning to live with musk oxen

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ceejayoz wrote: post #20
sevagh wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you read the article linked? I don't know why you're talking about Eastern Europe. If some random fuck was voting for my domesticated animals to die, I would reasonably object. >In 2022, gray wolves attacked domesticated animals hundreds of times across 10 states in the contiguous U.S. including Colorado, according to an Associated Press review of depredation data from state and federal agencies. Attacks killed o…

This is just the gun control holy war with the sides flipped.

It's the same war, no sides are being flipped. Step (1) increase populations of dangerous animals. Step (2) remove self-defense capabilities. Step (3) refuse to let the refugees build denser housing in the cities. Step (4) profit from mind-boggling real estate prices.

Or something like that. I jest, but wants and needs, lived experiences, and whatnot do tend to divide fairly cleanly on population density boundaries in the US (statistically, obviously not everyone), and it's very much not just those two topics where you can see that voting divide.

Re: Learning to live with musk oxen

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Post by Sabinus »

gadders wrote: post #10
anemoiac wrote: post #5

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Major difference is that musk oxen are essentially an invasive species, whereas wolves play a critical role in the surrounding ecosystem. Look into the impact of Wolf reintroduction to Yellowstone National Park if you're curious about that role.

>>wolves play a critical role in the surrounding ecosystem So do hunters.

Hunters kill large, healthy deer. Predators kill unhealthy and weak deer.

Re: Learning to live with musk oxen

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Post by Sabinus »

gadders wrote: post #13
tokai wrote: post #11

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Lower educated rural folks think about the issue emotionally instead of realistic. Its the same everywhere.

Haha. I think it's the other way round. City Dwellers who will never set foot in the countryside vote based on emotional attachment to animals. The rural folks will have far more understanding of wolves than the city folks.

The rural folks will have more understanding of for wolves effect their farming.

It's the fancy city learning that appreciates the role apex predators play in wild animal populations and the role the wild takes in keeping the land healthy.

Re: Learning to live with musk oxen

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Post by Sabinus »

sevagh wrote: post #19
adrian_b wrote: post #15

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Attacks against humans from non-rabid wolves are extraordinarily rare if they have ever existed. I have lived in a part of Eastern Europe where wolves had been abundant, but no attacks against humans from non-rabid wolves have ever been recorded, for centuries. Even supposing that attacks from wolves might exist, they must be many orders of magnitude less frequent than attacks from the existing dogs. Attacks from rab…

Did you read the article linked? I don't know why you're talking about Eastern Europe. If some random fuck was voting for my domesticated animals to die, I would reasonably object. >In 2022, gray wolves attacked domesticated animals hundreds of times across 10 states in the contiguous U.S. including Colorado, according to an Associated Press review of depredation data from state and federal agencies. Attacks killed o…

>voting for my domesticated animals to die

You can guard and fence them, just like in every other place with predators the farmers haven't driven to extinction.

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