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iOS 17.4 Nerfs Web Apps in the EU

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Re: iOS 17.4 Nerfs Web Apps in the EU

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So much for „free market”. > You can do it your own way > If it’s done just how I say

They EU had never a free market, at least not in the US sense.

Neither did the US https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/article-1/#ar...

“The Congress shall have Power… To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;”

Re: iOS 17.4 Nerfs Web Apps in the EU

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So much for „free market”. > You can do it your own way > If it’s done just how I say

Indeed, you can do it in your own way that complies with the intention of the law. We don't do this malicious compliance weasel wording game in the EU.

Yeah, and when you don’t like a workaround, just shift the goal posts once again. Sovereign weasel.

Re: iOS 17.4 Nerfs Web Apps in the EU

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So much for „free market”. > You can do it your own way > If it’s done just how I say

I’ll take a fair market over a free market any day.

Fair for who. Fair is different for you from the next one in the line. You obviously mean an „ideological market”. Fair is a weasel word.

Re: iOS 17.4 Nerfs Web Apps in the EU

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I think what’s happening here is that the EU mandated browser choice, but Apple hasn’t had enough time to implement APIs for other browsers to handle launching PWAs. So to make things fair and equal between Safari and the other browsers and to ensure that your default browser choice is respected, they disabled the Safari frameless PWA mode. It’s EU mandated browser choice, and hopefully they’ll figure out hooks so you can have eg frameless Firefox launch when tapping a homescreen browser bookmark.

Re: iOS 17.4 Nerfs Web Apps in the EU

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This is a beta release—it seems very plausible that it's just a mistake, rather than some sort of elaborate-but-subtle act of defiance.

> There are indications that iOS 17.4 is using SIM carrier information to geo-lock the changes to web app functionality singularly to users in the EU. Web apps in other regions around the world remain unaffected.

> > There are indications that iOS 17.4 is using SIM carrier information to geo-lock the changes to web app functionality singularly to users in the EU. Web apps in other regions around the world remain unaffected.

Right, we know that they're doing things in the EU specifically because they're required to do so; their insistence on using geo-locking for that is grudging but not sinister. It would be sinister to say "let's intentionally remove web app functionality, only for EU users", but I don't see anything in the story that makes it implausible that what actually happened is that somebody rushed out shoddily written code for EU users, and it had this unintended effect.

This may seem like special pleading for Apple, but, as chongli's comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39321362 to which I responded pointed out, why would they want to do this? Apple is many things as a company, but small minded and spiteful (as opposed to simply dictatorial) against its users isn't usually one of them. At the very least, to present that as the only possible explanation seems to be over-reaching.

Re: iOS 17.4 Nerfs Web Apps in the EU

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Indeed, you can do it in your own way that complies with the intention of the law. We don't do this malicious compliance weasel wording game in the EU.

Yeah, and when you don’t like a workaround, just shift the goal posts once again. Sovereign weasel.

Why are you trying to find a workaround? Circumventing a law is the same as breaking it.

Re: iOS 17.4 Nerfs Web Apps in the EU

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It's not even like Apple is hiding that they hate their DMA when they're announcing their compliances with it. Looking forward to the EU Commission taking Apple to the ECJ over this, I strongly suspect the EU Commission will win, because even if it doesn't, it will just propose legislation changes to outlaw Apple's behaviour anyway.

So much for „free market”. > You can do it your own way > If it’s done just how I say

Yes, that is called regulation.

It's the reason why they can't sell you food poisoned with lead in the supermarket.

"But but muh free market".

Re: iOS 17.4 Nerfs Web Apps in the EU

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I’ll take a fair market over a free market any day.

Fair for who. Fair is different for you from the next one in the line. You obviously mean an „ideological market”. Fair is a weasel word.

Fair for the people that live in EU, obviously.

"Fair" is not any less weasel than "free" in "free market". There's no free market when monopolistic corporations abuse their power.

Re: iOS 17.4 Nerfs Web Apps in the EU

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I think what’s happening here is that the EU mandated browser choice, but Apple hasn’t had enough time to implement APIs for other browsers to handle launching PWAs. So to make things fair and equal between Safari and the other browsers and to ensure that your default browser choice is respected, they disabled the Safari frameless PWA mode. It’s EU mandated browser choice, and hopefully they’ll figure out hooks so yo…

Also if they allow PWAs from other browser engines- their whole appstore and core technology fee related shenanigans are useless

Re: iOS 17.4 Nerfs Web Apps in the EU

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Fair for who. Fair is different for you from the next one in the line. You obviously mean an „ideological market”. Fair is a weasel word.

Fair for the people that live in EU, obviously. "Fair" is not any less weasel than "free" in "free market". There's no free market when monopolistic corporations abuse their power.

There are 450m people in this bloc. How can you confidently say something is equally „fair” to everyone? It’s obviously somewhat „fair” by your definition but that’s just your definition.

So then, who’s „fair” and who isn’t. Are you implying that I’m not „fair”? Can you please clarify how am I „not fair”? Tell me where it hurts you.

Am I not „fair” because I spent a couple of decades building something and it worked, or are you not „fair” because you clearly can’t compete so you you use legislation to force your „fair”.

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