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Re: After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats followed

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Also in the article > Libs of TikTok’s post said it happened “in front of children.” Anthony said no children were present. He was clothed and laughing in the video. I suppose if your point is that “if they don’t say the word pedophile they are not insinuating anything to that effect” then you are correct. If insinuation is not something that exists, the argument that there is no connection between the libsoftiktok p…

Again, that is not the same as claiming the mayor or any participants are pedophiles. As far as children being present, see my comment elsewhere: https://news.ycombinator.com/context?id=39293774

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/lgbtq-book-bans-librarian-vir...

These examples are not hard to find

Re: After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats followed

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Don’t they just repost what other people are already posting publicly?

To a specific audience that they have cultivated, though. And almost universally with a highly specific framing. What they are doing is finding posts from queer children, teachers, or parents, adding a line that frames it as inherently pedophilic or something, and then posting it to their extremely large follower base of explicitly bigoted people that would not probably have been aware of the post otherwise . Those p…

This is increasingly the far-right playbook. Get a big audience all worked up about something via a steady stream of lies and outrage, and then pretend like you had nothing to do with it when one of your followers does something illegal.

We have such groups around me which have resulted in vandalism of businesses and multiple bomb threats sent to multiple libraries. These assholes for a while were monopolizing the citizen comments section of city council meetings at any city which was allowing any kind of drag show or drag themed event (think drag queen story hour) in town.

The notable case of vandalism was a coffee shop not only with broken windows, but they also keep finding feces in corners of the place.

Re: After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats followed

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To a specific audience that they have cultivated, though. And almost universally with a highly specific framing. What they are doing is finding posts from queer children, teachers, or parents, adding a line that frames it as inherently pedophilic or something, and then posting it to their extremely large follower base of explicitly bigoted people that would not probably have been aware of the post otherwise . Those p…

That's a lot of words. They repost without editing material submitted to the most popular social media sites in the world. The original posters are literally getting wider exposure: exactly what they wanted.

I'm sorry you struggle to read more than a few sentences of words, but I'm trying to be very clear and precise in my explanations in order to help the people playing dumb in this comments section.

The clips she shares are very often not edited by her, but out of context clips edited by someone else to serve a narrative. Even when they aren't, how you frame a clip when you present it to someone and the prior expectations and beliefs of the audience that is viewing the clip can very strongly influence the perceived import of the clip itself, even if it's the exact same footage. And she is explicitly sharing clips of queer people to an audience that is already pre-convinced that queer people are evil and groomers, with that explicit framing added on to the clip. Even if we ignored that for the moment, my comment, which you clearly did not read, outlined exactly why even ignoring all the interpretive effects, sharing a clip of someone to a very large audience of people who hate one of the groups that person is a part of is a really bad thing. When someone posts something online that doesn't mean they automatically have to want a gigantic audience of people who explicitly hate them to become aware of the clip, that's nonsensical, and what l o t t is doing is essentially directing the eye of Sauron that is the awareness of her mob towards people that they are already primed to hate, when otherwise those people's posts would have gone completely unnoticed and under the radar to that mob, thereby directing a lot of hate that would not have otherwise happened at those people. Do you not understand how this works? Maybe I should put it in terms of cancel culture and that would help you understand it. Imagine some small time conservative business owner says something on his personal Facebook page that's kind of stupid, but would have completely flown under the radar otherwise. However, some big Twitter leftist account finds that post, and boosts it to their large following, with a comment about how evil and bigoted this person is, obviously that huge base of fans it is going to go after that person and just make their life hell, when without the influence of that post it would have flown under the radar. Can you see how that would be bad now?

Re: After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats followed

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To a specific audience that they have cultivated, though. And almost universally with a highly specific framing. What they are doing is finding posts from queer children, teachers, or parents, adding a line that frames it as inherently pedophilic or something, and then posting it to their extremely large follower base of explicitly bigoted people that would not probably have been aware of the post otherwise . Those p…

This is increasingly the far-right playbook. Get a big audience all worked up about something via a steady stream of lies and outrage, and then pretend like you had nothing to do with it when one of your followers does something illegal. We have such groups around me which have resulted in vandalism of businesses and multiple bomb threats sent to multiple libraries. These assholes for a while were monopolizing the ci…

It's sad, because I think a lot of the conservative rage thats being misdirected into the culture war actually ultimately comes from a pretty fair place, which is the economic gutting out that they've been facing, and the complete and utter lack of care or efficacy of the Democratic party in trying to help working people (and the Dem's classist disdain for them), and I'd like to team up with them to help with that, but it's not really possible when they would want me dead instead. If they could simply put aside their bigotry and work with people it would be a lot easier.

Re: After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats followed

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see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio#Subsequent...

She has 2.8 million followers. There were 2.4 million Nazi volunteers. The scale of what is possible has changed. It's not an inn with 28 farmers. It's not a statehouse with 280 citizens. It's not a gathering around a microphone of 2800 people. It's not a stadium of 28,000. It's not a gigantic congregation of 280,000. It's 2.8 million that listen to her every time she posts. Night or day. Around the clock. She's Always In Their Heads. Both axis of this graph have changed. Any law based around some mid 1900's pre-internet context of how people gathered and how the police might keep an eye on it, are bunk. Pure and utter bunk. In 2.8 million people there will be someone who will act. And as the article states, many times they get away with it. She's inciting hate crimes. That we won't do anything about it is insane. She sits on a buffer of "well, it wasn't me". Crime bosses do that too. Why do we allow it? It seems insane that any civil society would allow that.

Re: After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats followed

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Hence "or something"

My point is specifically that saying "pedophilia or something" is disingenuous. "Or something" could be completely innocuous.

> My point is specifically that saying "pedophilia or something" is disingenuous

But it wasn't. You just assumed it was because you weren't immediately provided evidence you could have just as easily found yourself.

Re: After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats followed

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To be more pointed than logicprog, Raichik just lies a lot. Example from the article: Libs of TikTok’s post said it happened “in front of children.” Anthony said no children were present.

That is simply “he said, she said”. One person is lying, but we don’t know which.

Yeah, that's disingenuous. See my comment above in response to someone saying the exact same thing.

Re: After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats followed

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hence "or something"

My point is specifically that saying "pedophilia or something" is disingenuous. "Or something" could be completely innocuous.

I mean, the assumption I was operating under was that someone would see that something in the context of the previous part of that conjunction and assume I meant something in the same vein, or at the same level of seriousness. In the same way that someone could say "I think I got stabbed or something" and you wouldn't assume that the something to which they referred might be a hangnail. But this is The Playbook people who don't want to acknowledge what the right is doing use all the time: play dumb, like you can't understand basic language or logic that you would otherwise completely understand in any other context, and require everyone to do every ounce of the research and work for you in finding you evidence for every statement made, in order to raise the barrier of effort until the other person gives up, while maintaining the appearance of neutrality.

Re: After Libs of TikTok posted, at least 21 bomb threats followed

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post #2

Don’t they just repost what other people are already posting publicly?

To be more pointed than logicprog, Raichik just lies a lot. Example from the article: Libs of TikTok’s post said it happened “in front of children.” Anthony said no children were present.

It should be noted that this refers to a mayor being spanked by a drag queen at a public event.

To many, myself included, the absence of children does not erase the absurdity and degeneracy of this stunt. It's still unacceptable. If children were present, it ought to have been criminal.

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