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Re-inventing the wheel is not the problem. It's copying the wheel that is the problem.
The Ladybird browser project
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I strongly disagree. The point of the whole SerenityOS project is to do everything from scratch, both for fun and to bring a bit of innovation in a classic environment. I see this "rebuild everything from scratch" effort as beneficial in many areas of browser development, since there are technologies shared by most browsers that create a sort of sub-monopoly, independent from the actual browser marketshare.
Take for example the JavaScript engine. Spidermonkey and V8 are much more prominent in browser engines, even the lesser known ones, compared to JavaScriptCore. Spidermonkey for example is used in Firefox, Servo and Flow (Eikoh's browser engine), while V8 is used in every chrome derivate and most javascript implementations outside of a browser. JavaScriptCore is literally used in only one browser engine, and while WebKit is rather popular, it doesn't change the fact that the browser-grade javascript engine market is dominated by only two engines.
Rebilding everything from scratch is such a fresh breath of air from all of those technological monopolies. I only wish the best for the SerenityOS team and contributors.
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#25It's really quite incredible that one guy basically started a project to create a whole operating system from scratch for fun and to give himself something interesting to do, and then accidentally created one of the most viable new browser engines in a decade or two... I've been watching the development videos for a year or two, and the speed that this has progressed in such a short time is unbelievable. Now they hav…
Wasn’t this guy working in the WebKit team at Apple for years before ?
It’s still really impressive but he is not the new kid in town when we talk about developing browsers.
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#27I would love to use this as my daily driver, but a lot of popular sites don't even work with Firefox. I hate what a small group of lazy front-end people have done to our world...
small group of lazy front-end people? i think you actually mean a small group of chrome developers single-handedly deciding how web should work, while having the vast majority of the market share to push those decisions.
No, I blame it on front-end people.
I've seen them putting all effort on eye-candy while ignoring that the page only works on "retina" display and then only on Safari.
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The whole point of the project is to write a completely independent browser from scratch. The effort seems focused to me, write a complete engine. Not write a small part of a browser. But why would reusing something be better? Reusing someone else code wouldn't be competing with them, it'd be depending on them.
Because you can have something usable instead of dreams. If you want to have completely independent code eventually, then replace modules one by one, while having a working product. Like Mozilla did with Servo. They had C++ codebase they wanted to replace with Rust codebase. They did not create entire browser from scratch, but replaced C++ with Rust gradually. While one figures what HTML and CSS layout should look li…
Andreas worked professionally on WebKit at Apple and succeeded in writing SerenityOS from scratch.
So he is in a good position to decide on the approach and has proven he can finish things. I’d just trust him on this, if my opinion was even relevant.
But as it’s a for fun project, he can write a browser in Fortran and abandon it half-way ;-)
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#29It's really quite incredible that one guy basically started a project to create a whole operating system from scratch for fun and to give himself something interesting to do, and then accidentally created one of the most viable new browser engines in a decade or two... I've been watching the development videos for a year or two, and the speed that this has progressed in such a short time is unbelievable. Now they hav…
Wasn’t this guy working in the WebKit team at Apple for years before ? It’s still really impressive but he is not the new kid in town when we talk about developing browsers.
Yes, he was.
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#30I would love to use this as my daily driver, but a lot of popular sites don't even work with Firefox. I hate what a small group of lazy front-end people have done to our world...
> but a lot of popular sites don't even work with Firefox
Which ones? I have always exclusively used Firefox and rarely have issues.