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Chris Wanstrath "defunkt" GitHub cofounder and former CEO is banned on GitHub

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Re: Chris Wanstrath "defunkt" GitHub cofounder and former CEO is banned on GitHub

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Post by throwaway894345 »

ilaksh wrote: post #9
superkuh wrote: post #3

Everyone centralizing in Github is very, very unhealthy and fragile.

There have been at least a few truly decentralized efforts along the lines of GitHub. There is almost no interest. I also feel that just going with one or two other companies is better than exactly one monopoly but we can do much better. For some reason if I say p2p on HN it's not appreciated.

I was thinking about this recently. What does "truly decentralized" Github look like? In particular, I'm curious about decentralized code review and so on. Probably not technically difficult or mind-blowing, but I'm curious nevertheless.

Re: Chris Wanstrath "defunkt" GitHub cofounder and former CEO is banned on GitHub

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Post by meowface »

ilaksh wrote: post #9
superkuh wrote: post #3

Everyone centralizing in Github is very, very unhealthy and fragile.

There have been at least a few truly decentralized efforts along the lines of GitHub. There is almost no interest. I also feel that just going with one or two other companies is better than exactly one monopoly but we can do much better. For some reason if I say p2p on HN it's not appreciated.

Centralization is just too convenient for most people. Most people - technical or otherwise - won't accept the slightest quality-of-life (edit: and network size/activity) hit in exchange for the greater robustness of decentralized options, regardless of the application.

Note how the vast majority of people who use or interact with cryptocurrencies converge around a few centralized options. Even a ton of the technical people who develop cryptocurrency-related systems do.

Re: Chris Wanstrath "defunkt" GitHub cofounder and former CEO is banned on GitHub

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Post by BadHumans »

bee_rider wrote: post #18
Kluggy wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue is more that p2p is always touted as the solution and yet there's been almost zero actually useful solutions developed. There's some fundamental issues preventing the decentralized network to be a generic solution and until that's sorted out, it doesn't seem to add to a conversation to bring up p2p as a solution.

Git seems to work pretty well p2p without the hub.

If you don't need to collaborate with people sure it does. Everything works well until you need to collaborate.

Re: Chris Wanstrath "defunkt" GitHub cofounder and former CEO is banned on GitHub

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Post by treyd »

arealaccount wrote: post #19
superkuh wrote: post #3

Everyone centralizing in Github is very, very unhealthy and fragile.

I get losing your PRs and comments, and pipelines. But if you get banned from Github, can't you just pick different remote and keep rolling? If it's about the PRs and comments, and pipelines, then those are features specific to Github so where is the fault for acting unhealthy?

If this happens randomly to a small-medium size foss project that doesn't have strong attention from GitHub the corporation it could be catastrophic.

Re: Chris Wanstrath "defunkt" GitHub cofounder and former CEO is banned on GitHub

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Post by Lyngbakr »

ilaksh wrote: post #9
superkuh wrote: post #3

Everyone centralizing in Github is very, very unhealthy and fragile.

There have been at least a few truly decentralized efforts along the lines of GitHub. There is almost no interest. I also feel that just going with one or two other companies is better than exactly one monopoly but we can do much better. For some reason if I say p2p on HN it's not appreciated.

While not a perfect solution, I think organisations like Codeberg§ are a step in the right direction.

§ https://codeberg.org/

Re: Chris Wanstrath "defunkt" GitHub cofounder and former CEO is banned on GitHub

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Post by samatman »

SirMaster wrote: post #8
superkuh wrote: post #3

Everyone centralizing in Github is very, very unhealthy and fragile.

Let me guess, we need a fediverse solution or source code now?

It exists: https://radicle.xyz, but it doesn't really get used.

I think gittorrent was the right name for the concept, really, hard to beat that. But that one withered on the vine: https://github.com/cjb/GitTorrent

Re: Chris Wanstrath "defunkt" GitHub cofounder and former CEO is banned on GitHub

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Post by meowface »

whatshisface wrote: post #7
beanjuiceII wrote: post #4

calm down its already back

The way it got banned represents something that could happen to any one of us - getting seen by an MS employee on the front page of HN is something that can only happen to Chris Wanstrath. Moving off github is a good idea anyway, since they took away source code search for non-signed-in-users. I experience that annoyance every time I need to find the source of an error string in someone's github project.

>Moving off github is a good idea anyway, since they took away source code search for non-signed-in-users. I experience that annoyance every time I need to find the source of an error string in someone's github project.

It could be done in part for cynical registration metrics reasons, but I'm guessing search is probably costly and this helps reduce automated activity. I also imagine they might face issues with bots searching for certain patterns to identify vulnerabilities and leaked credentials. Why is it unacceptable for you to register an account to make your debugging process easier?

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