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Re: Weaveworks is shutting down

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Post by marcinzm »

mad_vill wrote: post #13

I feel like the next generation of this type of company is smaller consultancies that have awesome developers that build customer tooling on the side. But the main revenue driver is consultancy. Also it really feels like all the air has been let out of the docker/kubernetes/cloud-native balloon that was so popular in the late 2010s.

> Also it really feels like all the air has been let out of the docker/kubernetes/cloud-native balloon that was so popular in the late 2010s.

Not really, the space has simply grown faster than these companies could keep up with and were left behind.

I can code up a CICD pipeline that does per-PR namespace isolated deploys of an app stack on EKS using Github actions in well under a week. With docker compose for local testing. That wasn't the case 5 years ago but it is now. Why would I want to be locked into Weave Works?

Re: Weaveworks is shutting down

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Post by BrittonR »

mad_vill wrote: post #13

I feel like the next generation of this type of company is smaller consultancies that have awesome developers that build customer tooling on the side. But the main revenue driver is consultancy. Also it really feels like all the air has been let out of the docker/kubernetes/cloud-native balloon that was so popular in the late 2010s.

I feel like this is how a lot of the Nix community and Elixir community already functions.

Re: Weaveworks is shutting down

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Post by coding123 »

javierluraschi wrote: post #18
mihaitodor wrote: post #9

Sometime last year, they had someone cold call me from the US to sell me stuff. I’m not sure where they got my number from, but I don’t think that’s a good strategy for trying to sell B2B solutions.

What's your ideal B2B sales strategy that would work for you?

The product is so good you found out about it from someone else and had to have it also... Kinda like docker or python or something.

They actually had that when the first started.

Re: Weaveworks is shutting down

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Post by menthe »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #15

Welp. Time to switch CNI on that k8s cluster... This is why whenever there is a choice between a grassroots open source project, and a corporate source project, I choose grassroots. When the corporation gets bored of the project (or just dies), the project dies too. Grassroots doesn't die as long as one person is still willing to merge PRs and make releases, and grassroots is much more likely to be forked and maintai…

Kinda surprised anyone would still using WeaveNet as a CNI.. it was a bit of a dumpster fire: https://blog.quentin-machu.fr/2020/08/07/our-breakup-with-we...

Re: Weaveworks is shutting down

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Post by whalesalad »

menthe wrote: post #25
0xbadcafebee wrote: post #15

Welp. Time to switch CNI on that k8s cluster... This is why whenever there is a choice between a grassroots open source project, and a corporate source project, I choose grassroots. When the corporation gets bored of the project (or just dies), the project dies too. Grassroots doesn't die as long as one person is still willing to merge PRs and make releases, and grassroots is much more likely to be forked and maintai…

Kinda surprised anyone would still using WeaveNet as a CNI.. it was a bit of a dumpster fire: https://blog.quentin-machu.fr/2020/08/07/our-breakup-with-we...

what is the idiomatic approach these days?

Re: Weaveworks is shutting down

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Post by runako »

coding123 wrote: post #24
javierluraschi wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's your ideal B2B sales strategy that would work for you?

The product is so good you found out about it from someone else and had to have it also... Kinda like docker or python or something. They actually had that when the first started.

> What's your ideal B2B sales strategy that would work for you?

>> Kinda like docker or python or something

There's a lesson here in the difficulty of selling to developers.

Re: Weaveworks is shutting down

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Post by gtirloni »

mad_vill wrote: post #13

I feel like the next generation of this type of company is smaller consultancies that have awesome developers that build customer tooling on the side. But the main revenue driver is consultancy. Also it really feels like all the air has been let out of the docker/kubernetes/cloud-native balloon that was so popular in the late 2010s.

> that was so popular in the late 2010s

Was? What's more popular than that today?

Re: Weaveworks is shutting down

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Post by gtirloni »

whalesalad wrote: post #26
menthe wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kinda surprised anyone would still using WeaveNet as a CNI.. it was a bit of a dumpster fire: https://blog.quentin-machu.fr/2020/08/07/our-breakup-with-we...

what is the idiomatic approach these days?

Lots of Cillium deployments lately but... Cisco just happened so, let's see how that goes.

Re: Weaveworks is shutting down

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Post by dilyevsky »

api wrote: post #11
dilyevsky wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like you need to be doing at least part services play - product alone doesn’t cut it

A perennial topic at lots of IT/devops standups these days is how to get rid of SaaS overhead, so this isn't a sure thing either. Bottom line is that developers and IT pros are cheap. I know because I am one. We always try to find a way to not pay for things and especially to avoid any kind of lock-in. I'm allergic to anything proprietary or anything with a SaaS, which is ironic because that's one of our company's pr…

They’re cheap until the management realizes they just spent a year (so like $300k) educating their devops how cni works and they bounced to faang or some other startup so the project needs to be scrapped or restaffed again and started over. That’s where the services come in. Also yeah it’s well known ICs view saas as direct threat so everyone tries to skip them and go directly to KDM. That’s the reason nearly all enterprise software is pain to use
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