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Goodbye non-KISS appliances

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Re: Goodbye non-KISS appliances

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I’m about to buy all the appliances to a new place in Europe and could use some more horror stories and learn which brands to avoid. So far I’ve been told to stay away from Samsung ovens. Anyone has any regrets on appliances?

Indeed Samsung oven I own had issue with control knob. Samsung fridge and induction hob are fine for 5 years or so.

Re: Goodbye non-KISS appliances

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My parents have a clothes drier from the 1970s and a fridge from the 1990s. They have needed repairs, but they were infrequent and not so costly as to necessitate buying a new unit.

My A/C is only four years old and the maintenance guy is telling me one of the fans is drawing too much power and will need to be replaced soon. Despite the part being free under warranty, they want $600 to replace it. This seems to be standard in the industry. Same for the capacitor: the part is only $17 but the authorized service companies want several hundred dollars to replace it, a job that should only take 15 minutes. It's almost as if they know they have us over a barrel.

Re: Goodbye non-KISS appliances

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I’m about to buy all the appliances to a new place in Europe and could use some more horror stories and learn which brands to avoid. So far I’ve been told to stay away from Samsung ovens. Anyone has any regrets on appliances?

I've been happy with my Electrolux fridge (it's only seven years old but literally zero maintenance in that time and it's still working like a champ), which I bought because my parents were happy with theirs which they'd bought five or six years before I got mine. Theirs is still going well too. My washing machine is a Bosch series 8 which has also been really good, same age, no problems.

One thing to be wary of (sorry to muddy the waters), is that some brands sell their name in some regions.

So a tfal pan is legit in Europe, but a Chinese cheap knockoff in Canada, the brand name sold to Canadian Tire.

Re: Goodbye non-KISS appliances

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When we upgraded our appliances, the "smart" or "wifi-enabled" ones were specifically avoided like the plague. "Dumb" appliances - especially fridges, for some reason - are becoming hard to come by, but they do exist. Electrolux, KitchenAid, even LG all make some no-frills models that can save both money and frustration. Hopefully those companies continue serving the "luddite techie" market.

Re: Goodbye non-KISS appliances

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I’m about to buy all the appliances to a new place in Europe and could use some more horror stories and learn which brands to avoid. So far I’ve been told to stay away from Samsung ovens. Anyone has any regrets on appliances?

We are actually quite happy with our Samsung American style fridge. It is about the last model before they went all the way with integrated lcd and wifi etc. It is also pretty energy efficient for a double door fridge/freezer.

Bosch, Siemens, Neff, is all the same brand underneath and there is little difference between the models across years. Just get something that is offline.

Re: Goodbye non-KISS appliances

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We have a fancy Samsung fridge with display. I was livid the first day I woke up and entered the kitchen and there was a full screen ad on the display greeting me pre-coffee. I vowed to never buy another fancy appliance again and took it off the WiFi network.

i don't understand why people buy smart devices. with anything smart i can't know what exactly the device is doing. plus the software will most likely stop being supported. by then it is just a potential tool to being hacked

Re: Goodbye non-KISS appliances

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I have only bought small things like a kettle since the "smartening" of household items started, and every time it feels like navigating a mine field of planned obscolescence. But I guess it is good motivation to give my current old and trusty appliances more TLC.

Re: Goodbye non-KISS appliances

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I’m about to buy all the appliances to a new place in Europe and could use some more horror stories and learn which brands to avoid. So far I’ve been told to stay away from Samsung ovens. Anyone has any regrets on appliances?

I would stay away not necessarily from specific brands, but models and even variants of models.

Case in point: factories producing my mother's washing machine model were located in three different countries. Depending on the country of origin, one important part would be either integrated with a few others or not. In the former case repairs were not worth the cost.

Only way to tell if your particular machine would be repairable was to check the country of origin.

Re: Goodbye non-KISS appliances

#30
It sounds more like OP didn’t do research on which brands and models are good/reliable.

On top of that, with scratch and dent, you do get what you pay for at some point. If an appliance is visibly damaged you don’t know what happened to it: could have been dropped, hit with a truck, returned due to problems/abuse, etc. When physical damage is involved you don’t know if it can exacerbate a design weakness, loosen some screws, whatever you might dream up.

I get it, a lot of appliances are cheap shit that aren’t “built like they used to.” But also, nobody twisted OP’s arm to buy a fridge with an LCD touch screen.

Here’s another thing: good, built-to-last-decades appliances exist and just cost a lot because that’s what they cost to produce. We can’t really blame appliance manufacturers for either the decline of American purchasing power and/or the change in consumer preferences toward shopping on price and nothing else.

You can buy a tank of a washing machine like a Speed Queen but you also get into it knowing you’re paying three or four times the cost of an equivalent shit box. And here’s the thing, if the shit box goes for 6 years without repair/replacement and the Speed Queen lasts 20, congratulations, the shit box wins on TCO. On top of that, your money can sit in your bank account or be used for something else instead of being paid up front for the appliance.

It’s the same deal with refrigerators like Sub-Zero. I talked to an appliance technician who told me all the luxury brands are less reliable, but I think the more accurate statement is that customers don’t call for repairs and blow money on labor costs for their cheap refrigerators, they just buy a new one. When you look at Sub-Zero and similar offerings, they mostly eschew gimmicks, often not even bothering with a water dispenser and going with a basic ice machine instead.

They’re not universally good, because there are shit brands in that space too (like Viking), but you’ve got a lot more quality options at that price point.

I think one solution to the situation of disposable goods might be a disposal tax that the manufacturer and customer share half and half. Or, improve warranty laws for product categories that should last longer. Nobody’s going to make a shitty fridge if you make a 10 year warranty mandatory.

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