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Re: 'You have blood on your hands', US senator tells Zuckerberg [video]

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Post by out-of-ideas » Wed, Jan 31, 2024, 8:56 PM UTC

_chu1 wrote: post #10

What disturbs me is these people are all angry with a complete lack of an outlook or any attempt to discover the root of the problem and create a solution. The reason young people have been detrimented by social media is because of multiple different fundemental issues. 1. Most kids and teenagers have unmonitored access to the Internet 2. Parents don't see the harm in any of this because it gets them to shut up 3. Ma…

#5 here for sure

before Google gave results relative to the region you were in, google search results were amazing. you could search generically and get loads of websites with lots of rich content; it was not always about getting the exact 1 "absolute" answer - it was about finding MORE websites with lots of content...

it's evolved though, several times over, for their profit...

Re: 'You have blood on your hands', US senator tells Zuckerberg [video]

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Post by AnthonyMouse » Wed, Jan 31, 2024, 9:00 PM UTC

toomuchtodo wrote: post #13

_chu1 wrote: post #10

What disturbs me is these people are all angry with a complete lack of an outlook or any attempt to discover the root of the problem and create a solution. The reason young people have been detrimented by social media is because of multiple different fundemental issues. 1. Most kids and teenagers have unmonitored access to the Internet 2. Parents don't see the harm in any of this because it gets them to shut up 3. Ma…

Legislators cannot fix parenting, but they can enforce controls and governance on social media platforms to govern to the mean. Duct tape fixes work when more aspirational fixes are unattainable. To the dismay of many, duct tape holds the world together. It can be true that politicians are out of touch and all we're left with are suboptimal solutions to complex problems at scale. > For additional context, I'm 15 near…

> Duct tape fixes work when more aspirational fixes are unattainable.

Duct tape fixes convince people to get back into the car even though it's still unsafe and then the duct tape gives way at 70 MPH and you crash into a tree.

Duct tape is for ducts. Sometimes it's also useful for patching leaky hoses. It's not for attaching the steering to the wheels.

If you're going to propose an institutional solution by legislative fiat, do it right or don't do it at all.

Re: 'You have blood on your hands', US senator tells Zuckerberg [video]

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Post by bryanlarsen » Wed, Jan 31, 2024, 9:02 PM UTC

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #22

toomuchtodo wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Legislators cannot fix parenting, but they can enforce controls and governance on social media platforms to govern to the mean. Duct tape fixes work when more aspirational fixes are unattainable. To the dismay of many, duct tape holds the world together. It can be true that politicians are out of touch and all we're left with are suboptimal solutions to complex problems at scale. > For additional context, I'm 15 near…

> Duct tape fixes work when more aspirational fixes are unattainable. Duct tape fixes convince people to get back into the car even though it's still unsafe and then the duct tape gives way at 70 MPH and you crash into a tree. Duct tape is for ducts. Sometimes it's also useful for patching leaky hoses. It's not for attaching the steering to the wheels. If you're going to propose an institutional solution by legislati…

> do it right or don't do it at all.

IOW, don't try to fix anything, since doing it perfectly is usually impossible.

Re: 'You have blood on your hands', US senator tells Zuckerberg [video]

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Post by d_tr » Wed, Jan 31, 2024, 9:08 PM UTC

_chu1 wrote: post #10

What disturbs me is these people are all angry with a complete lack of an outlook or any attempt to discover the root of the problem and create a solution. The reason young people have been detrimented by social media is because of multiple different fundemental issues. 1. Most kids and teenagers have unmonitored access to the Internet 2. Parents don't see the harm in any of this because it gets them to shut up 3. Ma…

> Parents don't see the harm in any of this because it gets them to shut up

My mom used to tell me this when I was a little kid, referring to parents who were buying too many video games for their kids. Those games were at least challenging and could cultivate some skills...

Re: 'You have blood on your hands', US senator tells Zuckerberg [video]

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Post by AnthonyMouse » Wed, Jan 31, 2024, 9:10 PM UTC

bryanlarsen wrote: post #23

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Duct tape fixes work when more aspirational fixes are unattainable. Duct tape fixes convince people to get back into the car even though it's still unsafe and then the duct tape gives way at 70 MPH and you crash into a tree. Duct tape is for ducts. Sometimes it's also useful for patching leaky hoses. It's not for attaching the steering to the wheels. If you're going to propose an institutional solution by legislati…

> do it right or don't do it at all. IOW, don't try to fix anything, since doing it perfectly is usually impossible.

There is a difference between imperfection and incompetence.

In one case you do things having thoroughly considered them and refrain from issuing mandates when their net benefit isn't large and unambiguous. A government that acts cautiously and deliberately and refrains from acting when that isn't possible is not one that never takes any action at all. You can be careful without being infallible.

In the other case you pass sloppy rubbish based on rhetoric and populism, don't solve the problem, create new problems, waste resources and divert attention from better solutions, often make the original problem worse and generally just make a hash of things because you're proposing something loud instead of something good.

And issuing no central mandate doesn't inherently mean the problem doesn't get solved, it just means it gets pushed to someone else who may have individual preferences or better context and allows different people to make different choices.

Re: 'You have blood on your hands', US senator tells Zuckerberg [video]

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Post by hindsightbias » Wed, Jan 31, 2024, 9:21 PM UTC

_chu1 wrote: post #18

toomuchtodo wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Legislators cannot fix parenting, but they can enforce controls and governance on social media platforms to govern to the mean. Duct tape fixes work when more aspirational fixes are unattainable. To the dismay of many, duct tape holds the world together. It can be true that politicians are out of touch and all we're left with are suboptimal solutions to complex problems at scale. > For additional context, I'm 15 near…

I came to the conclusion the world is held together with painters tape when I learned there are companies hiring people to mantain OS/2 Warp systems today.

I'll take the OS/2 painters tape anytime over some new thing that's unstable and will fall out of fashion in a few years. Only to be replaced by something less stable.

Re: 'You have blood on your hands', US senator tells Zuckerberg [video]

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Post by pupppet » Wed, Jan 31, 2024, 9:34 PM UTC

d_tr wrote: post #24

_chu1 wrote: post #10

What disturbs me is these people are all angry with a complete lack of an outlook or any attempt to discover the root of the problem and create a solution. The reason young people have been detrimented by social media is because of multiple different fundemental issues. 1. Most kids and teenagers have unmonitored access to the Internet 2. Parents don't see the harm in any of this because it gets them to shut up 3. Ma…

> Parents don't see the harm in any of this because it gets them to shut up My mom used to tell me this when I was a little kid, referring to parents who were buying too many video games for their kids. Those games were at least challenging and could cultivate some skills...

Don't get me started on the Geometry Dash craze. Zero redeeming value.

Re: 'You have blood on your hands', US senator tells Zuckerberg [video]

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Post by AnthonyMouse » Wed, Jan 31, 2024, 9:37 PM UTC

notaustinpowers wrote: post #9

gtvwill wrote: post #3

Imagine being able to keep your entire product suite safe for kids by just forcing your users to prove via id who they are and enforcing an actual age limit. Honestly the companies and their board members need jail. Simple fix to all the illegal material and actions performed on ya platform. ID the people who do it by forcing ID verification at signup. You want anon wild west esque communication? Cool go to 4chan. St…

There are so many issues when it comes to ID verification to access online services: - How do we check this information is accurate? It could be a fake ID, photoshopped, or just a friend's ID. - What system is in place to verify it is correct? As every US state uses different ID systems, would online platforms need 50 different ID systems to verify them? - What about people who don't have an ID? - What about other co…

You're missing the big one: How do you prevent it from being used for tracking? You'd be forcing every website to collect the thing that allows them to correlate all of your activity across websites. They already try to do this. Individuals can mitigate it by using browsers that try to resist fingerprinting or using separate devices for different activities. Now the government wants to de facto prohibit users from protecting themselves against that?

Re: 'You have blood on your hands', US senator tells Zuckerberg [video]

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Post by toomuchtodo » Wed, Jan 31, 2024, 9:44 PM UTC

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #22

toomuchtodo wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Legislators cannot fix parenting, but they can enforce controls and governance on social media platforms to govern to the mean. Duct tape fixes work when more aspirational fixes are unattainable. To the dismay of many, duct tape holds the world together. It can be true that politicians are out of touch and all we're left with are suboptimal solutions to complex problems at scale. > For additional context, I'm 15 near…

> Duct tape fixes work when more aspirational fixes are unattainable. Duct tape fixes convince people to get back into the car even though it's still unsafe and then the duct tape gives way at 70 MPH and you crash into a tree. Duct tape is for ducts. Sometimes it's also useful for patching leaky hoses. It's not for attaching the steering to the wheels. If you're going to propose an institutional solution by legislati…

Lets go with speed tape then.

> Speed tape is an aluminium pressure-sensitive tape used to perform minor repairs on aircraft and racing cars. It is used as a temporary repair material until a more permanent repair can be carried out. It has an appearance similar to duct tape, for which it is sometimes mistaken, but its adhesive is capable of sticking on an airplane fuselage or wing at high speeds, hence the name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_tape

> If you're going to propose an institutional solution by legislative fiat, do it right or don't do it at all.

This is not the world we operate in unfortunately.

Re: 'You have blood on your hands', US senator tells Zuckerberg [video]

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Post by fallingknife » Wed, Jan 31, 2024, 9:51 PM UTC

out-of-ideas wrote: post #21

_chu1 wrote: post #10

What disturbs me is these people are all angry with a complete lack of an outlook or any attempt to discover the root of the problem and create a solution. The reason young people have been detrimented by social media is because of multiple different fundemental issues. 1. Most kids and teenagers have unmonitored access to the Internet 2. Parents don't see the harm in any of this because it gets them to shut up 3. Ma…

#5 here for sure before Google gave results relative to the region you were in, google search results were amazing. you could search generically and get loads of websites with lots of rich content; it was not always about getting the exact 1 "absolute" answer - it was about finding MORE websites with lots of content... it's evolved though, several times over, for their profit...

Journalism and SEO really ruined it. Search for any sort of newsworthy info like a video or statistics, and you used to get the raw video or report. Now you have to wade through clips of said video with some news person talking over it, or articles about the actual data instead of the data itself. Adding "raw video" or "raw data" to the search has minimal effect. Search for anything with commercial relevance and it's SEO spam all the way down.