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Re: Linus Torvalds flames Google kernel contributor over filesystem suggestion

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Post by AlienRobot »

adastra22 wrote: post #15

The amount of support give by other posters here for Linus’ insane antisocial behavior is crazy. I would never, ever contribute upstream to Linux so long as Linus is involved. My time is too valuable to deal with his BS. He should realize the hostile environment he creates drives away contributors.

I wouldn't call it "insane antisocial behavior." I have no idea what his personal life is like, but managing the Linux source code isn't socializing, it's a job. You could say he's not very professional in this job, but he isn't doing this to make friends and get along with everybody.

Re: Linus Torvalds flames Google kernel contributor over filesystem suggestion

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Post by hasty_pudding »

AndrewDucker wrote: post #13

There is value in demonstrating anger. It makes it clear that the person has crossed a line beyond "Made an understandable mistake." and entered the "Doing things which are beyond what is tolerated in this space." And in this case, where the person has deliberately, repeatedly, tried to use code they don't understand, it makes it clear that they need to either learn enough to be sensible on the topic, or go away and…

I wish there was more of this in society instead of immense passive aggression we see now days.

It's very efficient and to the point.

Re: Linus Torvalds flames Google kernel contributor over filesystem suggestion

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Post by PH95VuimJjqBqy »

hasty_pudding wrote: post #22
AndrewDucker wrote: post #13

There is value in demonstrating anger. It makes it clear that the person has crossed a line beyond "Made an understandable mistake." and entered the "Doing things which are beyond what is tolerated in this space." And in this case, where the person has deliberately, repeatedly, tried to use code they don't understand, it makes it clear that they need to either learn enough to be sensible on the topic, or go away and…

I wish there was more of this in society instead of immense passive aggression we see now days. It's very efficient and to the point.

right, exactly.

Linus has such a clarity of thought that if I disagree with him I have to examine why. Anything else is hubris imo, his track record speaks for itself.

Perfect example is his infamous rant on why C++ wasn't used for git. He's a kernel developer, of course that's his opinion. I still love C++ but I'm certainly not offended by it.

Re: Linus Torvalds flames Google kernel contributor over filesystem suggestion

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Post by ametrau »

thrillgore wrote: post #9

This is very uncharacteristic of the direction Linus was heading. Damn, Steven must have seriously fucked up. >You copied that function without understanding why it does what it does, and as a result your code IS GARBAGE. AGAIN. I generally believe in positivity but if I saw this as his direct report I'd move him to another project ASAP to get scrutiny on his code quality.

Do you also think in manager-speak? It’s our downtime, on a news discussion site, why are you still talking in this obnoxious way?

Re: Linus Torvalds flames Google kernel contributor over filesystem suggestion

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Post by PH95VuimJjqBqy »

_xerces_ wrote: post #7

I would take it as a point of pride to be on the receiving end of one of Linus' rants. If I have his attention and he is even looking at something I wrote, it lets me know I made it :)

I feel the same way, I have immense respect for Linus and can appreciate that he may flame me today and congratulate me tomorrow. It's not personal, it's about the work.

Re: Linus Torvalds flames Google kernel contributor over filesystem suggestion

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Post by isOathetic »

hasty_pudding wrote: post #22
AndrewDucker wrote: post #13

There is value in demonstrating anger. It makes it clear that the person has crossed a line beyond "Made an understandable mistake." and entered the "Doing things which are beyond what is tolerated in this space." And in this case, where the person has deliberately, repeatedly, tried to use code they don't understand, it makes it clear that they need to either learn enough to be sensible on the topic, or go away and…

I wish there was more of this in society instead of immense passive aggression we see now days. It's very efficient and to the point.

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Re: Linus Torvalds flames Google kernel contributor over filesystem suggestion

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Post by big_paps »

onyxringer wrote: post #11

Oh noeh, but the feels. Is anyone thinking about the feels? Don't cry. The contributor will be fine. If you get flamed by Linus you've already earned a badge of a high profile developer. And even best of us sometimes do something stupid and a little direct cold shower is not going to hurt anyone. Linus is not bulling people, doesn't target them for no reason, doesn't do sneaky politics to undermine people, etc.

I think this is a good way to look at this.
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