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IBM to Managers: Move Near an Office or Leave Company

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Re: IBM to Managers: Move Near an Office or Leave Company

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Work from office mandates may serve as a proxy for companies on the decline. When things are going well, companies are more willing to take risks that could impact the top line, when things are going wrong it’s all scrutiny and bottom line optimization.

Conversely, it could be companies feel so confident and comfortable that they don't mind potentially losing staff (or being outcompeted for staff) when they impose WFO mandates. Don't want to WFO for us? Fine, we'll find someone else who will.

Re: IBM to Managers: Move Near an Office or Leave Company

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post #13

Controversial opinion time: I was chomping at the bit for remote before COVID. Hell, I still chomp at the bit for remote work. It's genuinely better in almost every way for me; I get that people have kids and it gets annoying to work from home for those people or that people want to be social: I am not those people, I am sorry. I have ADHD and I am not able to actually sit and focus in the office, especially these to…

> It's hugely expensive to do this and that money would be better spent on more important things. Unless the company is compensating folks for living closer to offices, they are likely just transferring those costs to the employees’ cost of living when forcing folks to live in higher cost of living areas.

> Unless the company is compensating folks for living closer to offices, they are likely just transferring those costs to the employees’ cost of living when forcing folks to live in higher cost of living areas.

Cost of living has historically been factored when determining salary, right?

I don't live in a high cost of living environment (I live in Malmo, Sweden; pretty cheap by Swedish standards overall) and I won't earn as much here as I would if I was working in Zurich or Stockholm.

What you say here comes across as hugely entitled since presumably you are already paid a really high salary and want to make even more relative to others in your area? By virtue of you being able to work remotely even if it comes at a cost to your productivity?

As a counter: Large companies (such as IBM) typically have their campuses located outside of major metropolitan hubs where office space is cheap: is your predilection, then, that they should pay you now less? If they force a move to a lower cost of living area because they decide that?

You are paid for a job in a place, and getting to that job is part of the salary for that job in some circumstances.

You wouldn't expect Police officer to be paid the same in NYC vs Bryan, Ohio. If that police officer were to move to Bryan from NYC though: their travel costs and cost of living are on them, They would be paid to work in NYC.

Re: IBM to Managers: Move Near an Office or Leave Company

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> All US managers must immediately report to an office or client location at least three days a week “regardless of current work location status,” IBM CEO has also paused hiring for roles that could be replaced with AI

Does IBM have many, or even any roles like this? The only rational assessment of "roles that could be replaced with AI" is first-level customer support, or perhaps translation, both of which I'd expect IBM outsources rather than hires for. Of course the answer is probably that this is based on an irrational assessment.

The CEO has already been replaced by an AI.

Re: IBM to Managers: Move Near an Office or Leave Company

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Retired IBM manager here. This has nothing to do with working together. This is another attempt by IBM to get rid of the older workers (again). Most teams are scattered across the world, and in the US they are all over the place. It's just another "Resource Action" targeted at older workers disguised as some kind of great idea to be more productive.

Re: IBM to Managers: Move Near an Office or Leave Company

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does IBM have many, or even any roles like this? The only rational assessment of "roles that could be replaced with AI" is first-level customer support, or perhaps translation, both of which I'd expect IBM outsources rather than hires for. Of course the answer is probably that this is based on an irrational assessment.

The CEO has already been replaced by an AI.

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Re: IBM to Managers: Move Near an Office or Leave Company

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post #13

Controversial opinion time: I was chomping at the bit for remote before COVID. Hell, I still chomp at the bit for remote work. It's genuinely better in almost every way for me; I get that people have kids and it gets annoying to work from home for those people or that people want to be social: I am not those people, I am sorry. I have ADHD and I am not able to actually sit and focus in the office, especially these to…

What is it about in person that makes people think more communication gets done? I swear it's the opposite in basically every experience I've had. When we work in ways that are better for remote things go more smoothly because we're actually communicating. Nearly every time I see people get together, less is accomplished. I attribute a lot of it to the slowdown of communication due to the inefficiency of in-person meetings. Things that could've been a few quick messages end up requiring everyone to stop what they're doing and wait.

Re: IBM to Managers: Move Near an Office or Leave Company

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Does this apply to Red Hat or are they still immune to most of the IBM dysfunction?

From what my ex-coworkers are saying it applies to Taos, and BoxBoat - and RH was accquired long before either of them so I'm assuming it applies to them as well.
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