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Social Media, AI, and the Battle for Your Brain

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Re: Social Media, AI, and the Battle for Your Brain

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post #8

Colonel : The digital society furthers human flaws and selectively rewards the development of convenient half-truths. Just look at the strange juxtapositions of morality around you. Rose : Billions spent on new weapons in order to humanely murder other humans. Colonel : Rights of criminals are given more respect than the privacy of their victims. Rose : Although there are people suffering in poverty, huge donations a…

Has there been a piece of “art” that has been so accurate in describing their society something most people were blind to?

MGS2 is a masterpiece of art in every measure.

Re: Social Media, AI, and the Battle for Your Brain

#22
post #7

I think this is an opportunity for traditional news networks to re-emerge as trusted news sources, by reporting only true and verified events. The days of going on social media looking for news are over, when people can quickly spin up fake articles with photos of some famous landmark on fire or in ruins it becomes too frustrating to discern between fact and fiction.

The problem is they're _also_ guilty of spinning "fake news". Yea, it's far more subtle, but "people left" for a reason. I think there is opportunity here, but i don't think it's back to the old ways. I imagine it would be some hybrid. A news source which aggressively documents and details sources. All opinions backed by a paper trail, etcetc. I'd pay for that. Or something.. but i don't know what that looks like. Th…

It kind of doesn't matter when the median attention span is microseconds. What shames people is lies they told in the past coming back to bite them in the ass. But the public forgets the past, so when lies come back to bite people, they are just confused and angry and blame it on other people.

Re: Social Media, AI, and the Battle for Your Brain

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post #7

I think this is an opportunity for traditional news networks to re-emerge as trusted news sources, by reporting only true and verified events. The days of going on social media looking for news are over, when people can quickly spin up fake articles with photos of some famous landmark on fire or in ruins it becomes too frustrating to discern between fact and fiction.

As soon as they acquired the reputation benefit of everyone "knowing" they report only true and verified events, someone would swoop in to spend it.

Re: Social Media, AI, and the Battle for Your Brain

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The fake news problem is huge on twitter now, as if it could not get worse. I've seen people unashamedly post stuff that is literally false, not something false in a satirical or parody sense. It's becoming increasingly hard to separate fact form fiction. It will get to the point where in which the determination of truth is by some consensus process online in by competing fake or unreliable sources.

Have a look at newspapers from 100 years ago [1]. Look at pamphlets from the 16th century [2]. It has been way worse.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripley%27s_Believe_It_or_Not!

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamphlet_wars

Re: Social Media, AI, and the Battle for Your Brain

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Here's the point I think keeps getting missed in these discussions: monopoly.

Why are we worried about social media? Because it's a system made by and for a small number of companies. We worry about how well these companies will bear the responsibility that new technology creates for them. Why do they have that responsibility in the first place? Why doesn't that responsibility belong to you or me or any of the other ~5 billion individuals who participate in this system? Why can't we have a piece of that responsibility? The answer is monopoly.

Our society got into this situation on purpose. It's in our laws, enshrined as a human right. The right to monopolize ideas. The right to intellectual property.

It all started out as a way to game the system. People saw that free information was incompatible with capitalism, so they invented a game that would resolve the incentives. So long as enough people participated in this game, the edges of the system would balance out to humanity's benefit.

Whether or not this game worked is a matter of perspective, but what is definitely clear is that the system that IP was originally designed to solve has fundamentally changed. Our ability to share ideas has grown exponentially. It costs practically nothing to share information today. Information can be shared by any person at any time any number of times to any number of people, and this can even be done anonymously. Participation in the game of IP has been an ever-growing problem, and no amount of threat or propaganda can keep it in line.

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Ideas are not the only thing that social media companies monopolize. The next presents an even greater responsibility: moderation.

Social media moderation may be the most significant failure society has ever seen. The results of mismanaged moderation have fallen everywhere on the spectrum from petty argument to genocide. We all know that moderation is incredibly difficult, and nearly impossible to scale; yet we allow a handful of companies to manage it on their own! Billions of us participate in social media, and billions of us have zero leverage over what ideas and narratives we participate with.

This system is fundamentally broken. The most perversely incentivized party (the company who wants to make money from participation) has monopolized the responsibility for the entire system! How could we ever expect them to get it right? We're over here worried about the tools they use to do the job - which is certainly its own problem - but why did we ever let them have the job in the first place? The tools are not the core problem. The core problem is at the center of this system: it's the fact that this system has a centralized core in the first place.

We don't just need to liberate the exchange of ideas. We need to liberate the responsibility that comes with sharing them.

Re: Social Media, AI, and the Battle for Your Brain

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post #8

Colonel : The digital society furthers human flaws and selectively rewards the development of convenient half-truths. Just look at the strange juxtapositions of morality around you. Rose : Billions spent on new weapons in order to humanely murder other humans. Colonel : Rights of criminals are given more respect than the privacy of their victims. Rose : Although there are people suffering in poverty, huge donations a…

Reminds me of this scene from My Dinner with Andre:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8v_XqFO8Bc

Re: Social Media, AI, and the Battle for Your Brain

#27
post #24

The fake news problem is huge on twitter now, as if it could not get worse. I've seen people unashamedly post stuff that is literally false, not something false in a satirical or parody sense. It's becoming increasingly hard to separate fact form fiction. It will get to the point where in which the determination of truth is by some consensus process online in by competing fake or unreliable sources.

Have a look at newspapers from 100 years ago [1]. Look at pamphlets from the 16th century [2]. It has been way worse. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripley%27s_Believe_It_or_Not ! [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamphlet_wars

> Have a look at newspapers from 100 years ago

Indeed, and you can look even farther back. Here is a good book:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38441289

There is also the epistemological/methodological point there; I wonder whether and how future generation historians can make any sense of it all?

Re: Social Media, AI, and the Battle for Your Brain

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Here's the point I think keeps getting missed in these discussions: monopoly. Why are we worried about social media? Because it's a system made by and for a small number of companies. We worry about how well these companies will bear the responsibility that new technology creates for them. Why do they have that responsibility in the first place? Why doesn't that responsibility belong to you or me or any of the other…

Indeed, and this article was a bit frustrating... they are skipping / seem to be oblivious to the context where the "zeroth contact with AI" likely already happened with the creation of the limited liability company, we are seeing particularly metastasized forms of which these days.

Especially since the outlines of this have been predicted more than half a century ago already, by philosophers analyzing the then still young consumer (advertising) based capitalism. With its lack of limits and growth at all costs imperative. We've even had art made about it, after the intensification of the phenomenon in the neoliberal 80s, for instance the whole cyberpunk genre.

(And while these issues that the article talks about are still somewhat speculative (at least in intensity) unless you live somewhere like Burma, we've already seen much more dire consequences of this starting to show up in resource depletion and climate change.)

(Yet they should know all that, they insist on incentives after all, right ?!)

Re: Social Media, AI, and the Battle for Your Brain

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post #24

The fake news problem is huge on twitter now, as if it could not get worse. I've seen people unashamedly post stuff that is literally false, not something false in a satirical or parody sense. It's becoming increasingly hard to separate fact form fiction. It will get to the point where in which the determination of truth is by some consensus process online in by competing fake or unreliable sources.

Have a look at newspapers from 100 years ago [1]. Look at pamphlets from the 16th century [2]. It has been way worse. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripley%27s_Believe_It_or_Not ! [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamphlet_wars

You can go further back. My favourite example of false information that had harmful influence is Malleus Maleficarum

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malleus_Maleficarum

Re: Social Media, AI, and the Battle for Your Brain

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Metal Gear Solid 2, to be specific. A game shockingly ahead of it's time.

Wow, that was written, what, 20 years ago? Sounds precisely about today

There was a really interesting panel I went to a few years ago talking about the idea of Kojima writing some shockingly ahead-of-their-time things: https://youtu.be/6kPOj0msHCE?si=CF1wlvE0N0ZL2Yzn
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