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Is the emergence of life an expected phase transition in the evolving universe?

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Re: Is the emergence of life an expected phase transition in the evolving universe?

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If you have an erroneous view of life and it's origins on earth, you'll come up with variations of this type of thinking.

However, life didn't evolve through a random walk of chemical reactions turning into complex systems with the ability to replicate and gain ever increasing complexity over time. Not possible.

Entropy is increasing.

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> We are, truly, Of Nature, not Above Nature. This sentiment has always made me question when people say things are "unnatural", "artificial", or "synthetic": If we ourselves are of nature, and these things are a byproduct of us, then aren't they naturally occurring? edit: added "synthetic" to reduce ambiguity.

Ok, maybe synthetic is a better word for many instances of their use. As in synthesized with the aid human intervention.

Where exactly is the line drawn for how much and what type of human intervention is required? When I cook food, human intervention is causing chemical reactions that change the composition of the food. I doubt many people consider grill marks to be unnatural or synthetic.

Re: Is the emergence of life an expected phase transition in the evolving universe?

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I think life is going to be quite common as it seems it just requires liquid water and an extremely common type of rock in order to form alkaline hydro-thermic vents. It appears that life developed quite quickly in this manner after the formation of the Earth. The leap from bacteria and archaea to eukaryotes, however, took billions of years. So complex life may be rare.

Should be so common, right? Yet we're struggling to find any form of life. Not complex, just anything that lives.

Re: Is the emergence of life an expected phase transition in the evolving universe?

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Can't help but wonder, is AI an expected phase transition in the evolution of life in the universe? Is life really just the larval stage of a higher order intelligence?

In the context of the universe, I wouldn't call it "intelligence" versus "artificial intelligence". I would call it "organic intelligence" vs "inorganic intelligence".

http://www.eastoftheweb.com/short-stories/UBooks/TheyMade.sh...

Re: Is the emergence of life an expected phase transition in the evolving universe?

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Can't help but wonder, is AI an expected phase transition in the evolution of life in the universe? Is life really just the larval stage of a higher order intelligence?

Makes you wonder what comes after AI. What's the "higher order" after AI that exists today or that will exist in 10 years? I'd guess we will never understand that level of intelligence, unless AI augments our brains somehow.

Re: Is the emergence of life an expected phase transition in the evolving universe?

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I sat in on one of Stephen Wolfram’s YouTube lectures on his new physics project, and asked him about his conception of life in the big picture of physics.

His perspective was that (if I may take the liberty of paraphrasing him) there’s nothing particularly special about life from the perspective of physics. What we call life simply correlates to parts of the physical world that have the highest degree of complexity and internal structure.

Life is not binary.

Re: Is the emergence of life an expected phase transition in the evolving universe?

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There is nothing "expected" in a truly random universe. You cannot have your cake and eat it, there is either some sort of 'order' in the universe or there is none. You cannot place forms of order where it suits you but reject it when it doesn't.

Re: Is the emergence of life an expected phase transition in the evolving universe?

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> We are, truly, Of Nature, not Above Nature. This sentiment has always made me question when people say things are "unnatural", "artificial", or "synthetic": If we ourselves are of nature, and these things are a byproduct of us, then aren't they naturally occurring? edit: added "synthetic" to reduce ambiguity.

Ok, maybe synthetic is a better word for many instances of their use. As in synthesized with the aid human intervention.

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Re: Is the emergence of life an expected phase transition in the evolving universe?

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This is written like a literary academic blog article rather than an academic paper in the sciences. It's fully of literary free association and hyperbolic language, etc. At best it's a sort of mission statement for what would need to be a research programme with many many academic papers behind it. As it is, I'm not sure what the authors aim here is. It's a blog post.

Wait, you mean I can use Arxiv as a blog instead of Drupal or Medium? Hold me beer!
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