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How the placenta evolved from an ancient virus (2020)

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Re: How the placenta evolved from an ancient virus (2020)

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It's really an impossible calculation. There's no way to appraise the consequences to assign a value. If it were possible to say, that a future mutation was necessary to save humanity (ie. we are doomed without entering that future) well then perhaps we'd be willing to sacrifice a lot of us now. It's all academic of course, we'll never make such a decision, and never know what could have been. It's just another remin…

> a future mutation was necessary to save humanity Even in that scenario, it is very simple, we protected the people today and use vaccines to induce the necessary mutation. The moral choice in my book is to always err on the side of the living than "potential of the living".

That's your personal calculus, and fair enough. World leaders might make a different decision though.

For instance, the British military planners allowed soldiers to die on the battlefield, who they could have saved, in order to protect the secret that they had cracked German encryption during WWII. That was a place where the needs of the many, were deemed more valuable than the lives of the few.

I'm not judging one way or the other, but it has happened in human history more than once. And in the imaginary scenario where leaders had perfect knowledge of the future, it would likely happen again.

Re: How the placenta evolved from an ancient virus (2020)

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If every part of a human coming from evolution, how it synchronize between each part? Is there any books explaining evolution in detail? How cell formed? How they found a way to multiply? How they choose DNA to store the information? And so on.

There is literally a world of biology (text)books that describe the process of evolution and how life came to be. I would recommend finding a syllabus at a local college for a biology class, getting the textbook second hand and then reading it

Re: How the placenta evolved from an ancient virus (2020)

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You're assuming it happened all in one go. Instead, the protein was probably inserted into a germ cell by a retrovirus, and then was available in descendants as grist for further evolution, eventually being incorporated into the placenta.

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People, capable of pondering life’s great mysteries, are going to place faith into something, only difference is if they accept it as a faith or argue their faith into fact. I think this makes many here uncomfortable.

Re: How the placenta evolved from an ancient virus (2020)

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If every part of a human coming from evolution, how it synchronize between each part? Is there any books explaining evolution in detail? How cell formed? How they found a way to multiply? How they choose DNA to store the information? And so on.

It doesn't. Everything that's poorly 'synchronized' just dies out and the more effective organisms keep reproducing. This explains basically everything past the original question of how the original self-replicating chemical reaction started.

Re: How the placenta evolved from an ancient virus (2020)

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It's a little odd to consider the idea that fighting off modern viruses today, might actually be impeding human evolution in some way we can't foresee.

It is required some process of natural selection for mutations to be selected against, do we know how this occurs with the modern homo sapiens?

We have plenty of modern day selection pressure. Watch the first 2 minutes of Idiocracy.

Re: How the placenta evolved from an ancient virus (2020)

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You're assuming it happened all in one go. Instead, the protein was probably inserted into a germ cell by a retrovirus, and then was available in descendants as grist for further evolution, eventually being incorporated into the placenta.

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The eye evolved in much the same way, a bit at a time. It didn't just turn up one day.

As for the virus/placenta thing, I recall reading a similar thing about wasps, though I couldn't provide any citations, that the method by which a wasp stops the immune system of a host (such as a catepiller) from attacking its eggs/larvae is viral in origin, and remarkably similar in some ways to the way a mother's body doesn't attack an organism that in any other circumstances would read as a parasite.

Interesting stuff.

Re: How the placenta evolved from an ancient virus (2020)

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Kinda morbid thinking about all the failed mutations as laying eggs evolved into the placenta

Here's another sobering thought: you represent an unbroken chain from the universal common ancestor of successful reproduction going back billions of years and probably trillions of generations (given that many of those were as a single-celled organism). Every one of those generations a success.

So if you fail to reproduce you will break that billion year old chain of evolutionary success.

Here's another: you have 2 biological parents, (up to) 4 biological grandparents (go look at Cleopatra's family tree) and so on to an upper bound of 2^n ancestors for the n'th previous generation. At some point this number exceeds the number of organisms that were alive at that time so there are likely one or more individuals in the past who are direct ancestors to everybody.

A consequence of this is that if you go forwards in time ultimately your genetic line will either die out or you will be the direct ancestor of everybody given sufficient time.

Re: How the placenta evolved from an ancient virus (2020)

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You're assuming it happened all in one go. Instead, the protein was probably inserted into a germ cell by a retrovirus, and then was available in descendants as grist for further evolution, eventually being incorporated into the placenta.

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you are... definitely not a biologist, lol.

Re: How the placenta evolved from an ancient virus (2020)

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You're assuming it happened all in one go. Instead, the protein was probably inserted into a germ cell by a retrovirus, and then was available in descendants as grist for further evolution, eventually being incorporated into the placenta.

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No "real" evidence? There's plenty of evidence, you just reject it for some reason.
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