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Zig Software Foundation 2024 Financial Report and Fundraiser

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Re: Zig Software Foundation 2024 Financial Report and Fundraiser

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Post by emidoots »

Myself and many others are betting on Zig in major ways, I truly think it has a bright future ahead.

In spare time, myself and a few others are working on a game engine in Zig[0], and the Zig core team has been very receptive to addressing issues our project faces and supporting us.

Others are working on pixel art editors[1], open source 2D RPG games[2], there's a group of independent folks working on a 3D massive immersive sim game[3], a group working on making Zig an amazing language for micro-controllers[4], etc.

Please consider donating $5-10 a month to the ZSF! They are a great group of people, and it has so many knock-on effects for others in the FOSS community. :)

[0] https://machengine.org/

[1] https://github.com/foxnne/pixi

[2] https://github.com/foxnne/aftersun

[3] https://github.com/Srekel/tides-of-revival

[4] https://github.com/ZigEmbeddedGroup

Re: Zig Software Foundation 2024 Financial Report and Fundraiser

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Post by matu3ba »

A more recent example of excellent work with Zig on improving state of the art parsing can be seen in this fine presentation of a SIMD-heavy project: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN8LDpWuPWw. It shows SWAR-techiques for embedded devices to be used in place of SIMD are useful + feasible and missed out LLVM optimizations on non-x86/x86_64 besides technical background and theory on simplified examples.

Re: Zig Software Foundation 2024 Financial Report and Fundraiser

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Post by Argorak »

pid-1 wrote: post #11

> We spent 92% of our money in 2023 on paying contributors for their time. That's really cool. Sometimes I think about donating to the PSF, but I don't really care about PyCon.

Unless something has drastically changed, PyCon covers itself and earns the PSF quite some money on top. Here are numbers from 2020:

https://thefortunate.blog/diversification-is-the-future-for-...

> Out of USD4.5MM of revenue for the PSF in 2019, around 63% of it came from PyCon. USD1.9MM was the costs of having PyCon, which means that for every dollar spent on PyCon, the PSF gets back 1.50 dollars.

https://pyfound.blogspot.com/2020/03/psfs-projected-2020-fin...

Obviously, the revenue has sharply dropped for a time because of COVID, but I'd be surprised if PyCon is run at a loss nowadays.

So you can assume none of your sponsorship money goes to running PyCon.

Re: Zig Software Foundation 2024 Financial Report and Fundraiser

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Post by AndyKelley »

pid-1 wrote: post #11

> We spent 92% of our money in 2023 on paying contributors for their time. That's really cool. Sometimes I think about donating to the PSF, but I don't really care about PyCon.

I think PSF is a particularly well-run organization. When founding ZSF, I modeled it directly based on PSF, right down to the name and mission statement.

I think it's no coincidence that Python is one of the most popular programming languages in the world.

Re: Zig Software Foundation 2024 Financial Report and Fundraiser

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Post by ksec »

synergy20 wrote: post #3

I never understand why fundamental work which is super hard to do got paid so little, the whole budget of Zig might be less than an average senior software developer's salary at a FAANG company, this does not make sense to me at all. On the other hand, what's the timeline for 1.0? I might stick with C and C++, but always glad to see Zig to succeed.

>got paid so little,

What part of this is hard to understand? They dont earn as much and they are spending it as wisely and as efficiently and as high as they could afford while they are willing to work for.

Re: Zig Software Foundation 2024 Financial Report and Fundraiser

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Post by nindalf »

nbittich wrote: post #19

I wish the rust foundation could write articles like that, no corporate legal bullshit.

Weird. Here's the Rust Foundation annual report for 2023 (https://foundation.rust-lang.org/static/publications/annual-...). No "legal bullshit", it's short and to the point.

Or here's another example. An interview they published with one of the developers whom they awarded a grant to. He worked on a Rust implementation of git and was awarded the grant to integrate it with cargo, the Rust build tool. (https://foundation.rust-lang.org/news/community-grantee-spot...)

Or a technical article about artifact signing (https://foundation.rust-lang.org/news/2023-12-21-improving-s...)

Do you still think that the Rust foundation writes "legal bullshit"?

Re: Zig Software Foundation 2024 Financial Report and Fundraiser

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Post by nbittich »

nindalf wrote: post #26
nbittich wrote: post #19

I wish the rust foundation could write articles like that, no corporate legal bullshit.

Weird. Here's the Rust Foundation annual report for 2023 ( https://foundation.rust-lang.org/static/publications/annual-... ). No "legal bullshit", it's short and to the point. Or here's another example. An interview they published with one of the developers whom they awarded a grant to. He worked on a Rust implementation of git and was awarded the grant to integrate it with cargo, the Rust build tool. ( https://found…

Yes, they lost me in the trademark drama.

Re: Zig Software Foundation 2024 Financial Report and Fundraiser

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Post by AndyKelley »

nindalf wrote: post #26
nbittich wrote: post #19

I wish the rust foundation could write articles like that, no corporate legal bullshit.

Weird. Here's the Rust Foundation annual report for 2023 ( https://foundation.rust-lang.org/static/publications/annual-... ). No "legal bullshit", it's short and to the point. Or here's another example. An interview they published with one of the developers whom they awarded a grant to. He worked on a Rust implementation of git and was awarded the grant to integrate it with cargo, the Rust build tool. ( https://found…

Thanks for sharing this. I would be interested to see a more detailed pie chart on the 2023 expenditures. Approximately half the expenses (1.5 million dollars) spent on "Membership & Admin". What does that mean exactly?

Re: Zig Software Foundation 2024 Financial Report and Fundraiser

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Post by timClicks »

nbittich wrote: post #27
nindalf wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weird. Here's the Rust Foundation annual report for 2023 ( https://foundation.rust-lang.org/static/publications/annual-... ). No "legal bullshit", it's short and to the point. Or here's another example. An interview they published with one of the developers whom they awarded a grant to. He worked on a Rust implementation of git and was awarded the grant to integrate it with cargo, the Rust build tool. ( https://found…

Yes, they lost me in the trademark drama.

That's a silly thing to get upset about. It was a draft proposal written by volunteers outside the Foundation.
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