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On being listed as an artist whose work was used to train Midjourney

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Re: On being listed as an artist whose work was used to train Midjourney

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The sooner anyone making profit from models trained on creators proprietary content start paying for the content they’re using the better for creators, society and even the AI companies. It’s pretty tiring hearing people argue about whether copyright law applies to AI companies or not. It applies. Just get on and sort out a proper licensing model.

It applies - but how it applies is simply not settled. Clearly, there is no statistical model that can launder IP. If someone uses Midjourney to produce someone else's IP, that user (not Midjourney) would be in violation of copyright if they use it in a way that does not conform to the license, such as by creating their own website of cat and girl comics and running Adsense on it.

However, if other artists are inspired by this style of comic, and it influences their work - that is simply fair use. If that artist is some rando using a tool like Midjourney - that is inspired by the art but doesn't reproduce it - it is not at all clear to me that this is not also fair use.

Re: On being listed as an artist whose work was used to train Midjourney

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The argument here seems more mad at the decline of the ability of an individual to promote their work on social media channels (which is indeed a problem that's getting worse for reasons unrelated to generative AI) rather than losing money to people making AI art with Midjourney.

The point is that they no longer have a choice not to enrich profit-seeking companies with their unpaid labor, because by posting to those sites, you're generating the content they place their ads beside. And then pointing out that at least with social media, they had a choice in the matter, while AI scrapers just take it, wherever they might have posted it.

Re: On being listed as an artist whose work was used to train Midjourney

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If the artist's license was for non-commercial use, isn't using it for training an AI for commercial use a clear violation ? I would love to know why not.

Fair use, if it does indeed apply, doesn't care about license

I doubt it's still fair use if you become one of most valuable companies, hence the word "fair" in fair use.

Re: On being listed as an artist whose work was used to train Midjourney

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post #7

If the artist's license was for non-commercial use, isn't using it for training an AI for commercial use a clear violation ? I would love to know why not.

Fair use. Licenses like that are enforced under copyright, if the use is not subject to copyright, the license terms are irrelevant.

I'm not sure if it applies here. Midjourney's use intends to substitute the artists' work, and is commercial.

Re: On being listed as an artist whose work was used to train Midjourney

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I wonder what effects AI ripping off today's artists will have on the next generation. They will grow up with AI "art" generators. Will they be concerned enough about AI-ripping them off that the don't put out novel, "human-made" works of art? Will they put down the AI tools long enough to learn "manual" forms of art?

Re: On being listed as an artist whose work was used to train Midjourney

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I have no patience for midjourney’s hacky-ass discord interface so - is anyone with access able to weigh in on how effectively one can generate images aping the style of ‘cat and girl?’

What’s hacky about it? They’re using the discord chat bot interaction tools to make interactions for their chat bot.

They also have a UI on their website, not sure if it’s still closed or not.

Re: On being listed as an artist whose work was used to train Midjourney

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post #17
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fair use. Licenses like that are enforced under copyright, if the use is not subject to copyright, the license terms are irrelevant.

Making money from the trained model isn't fair use anymore.

That has to be legislated or written into law in the courts.

Re: On being listed as an artist whose work was used to train Midjourney

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post #5

The sooner anyone making profit from models trained on creators proprietary content start paying for the content they’re using the better for creators, society and even the AI companies. It’s pretty tiring hearing people argue about whether copyright law applies to AI companies or not. It applies. Just get on and sort out a proper licensing model.

>the better for [...] AI companies Yes exactly. Kill off the free alternative since nobody else can afford licenses with big rights holders. Google will love this. Creators will get pennies. Everyone has to go through proprietary apis, OS will be outlawed. Not something I would want to see!

Re: On being listed as an artist whose work was used to train Midjourney

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I have no patience for midjourney’s hacky-ass discord interface so - is anyone with access able to weigh in on how effectively one can generate images aping the style of ‘cat and girl?’

oddly, seemingly impossible. https://imgur.com/a/7HAfL5w (5 trials)
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