I don't understand the obsession with imessage, what is so special about it?
It's what 50% of the US population uses for sending short messages.
Beeper Mini users find Macs banned from iMessage network
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#22I don't understand the obsession with imessage, what is so special about it?
Of all the messengers I have and my friends and family use iMessage is easily the worst designed one (well, Viber is probably worse), and no one I know uses it
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#23I don't understand the obsession with imessage, what is so special about it?
My wife uses it. There's no way in hell I'll get her off it... Thus, I use it.
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#24My take on this whole thing is that this is basically an elaborate plan to eventually use this in court against Apple to prove its anti-competitive practices. If not for court, then at the least this is a press strategy orchestrated by someone with an interest in opening up the iMessage monopoly. I’m sure the founder realized early on that the prospects of this becoming a valuable company on its own merits were slim…
> I’m sure the founder realized early on that the prospects of this becoming a valuable company on its own merits were slim If you actually knew Eric and the history of Beeper you would understand how hilariously false, absurd and revisionist such a statement is. Eric only started Beeper after validating massive interest from Hacker News for a paid app that would unify disparate communication channels.
> Eric only started Beeper after validating massive interest from Hacker News for a paid app that would unify disparate communication channels.
This may be true with regard to the general concept, but how does it relate to the decision to try to skirt the iMessage rules? Validating that people want a feature is different from (and somewhat orthogonal to) ensuring you can actually deliver it.
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thus completely missing the point of this product’s entire existence and value proposition. This is not helpful and bordering on snarky. ‘Take note’ that people are well aware of the existence of other messaging services. They don’t want them. They want iMessage. The kid saying that they’re using “Tox on a Google Pixel running GrapheneOS” is sitting by themselves during recess whether you like it or not.
They don't want iMessage. They want what their friends have. If their friends used something else they would use something else.
Eh, many of my friends have WhatsApp, and I don't really like it. Almost all of them "have" Facebook messenger, but again, no one wants to use it. Maybe I'm biased because it's true for me, but I don't really buy this "nothing's special about iMessage" claim.
Which sucks, because Apple's approach here (while not unexpected) is very disappointing.
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#26I don't understand the obsession with imessage, what is so special about it?
It's simply that it has a lot of users. Any popular enough communication protocol attracts interest in interoperating with it.
Or if you mean why anyone uses it, it's because SMS is automatically upgraded to iMessage between two iPhone users. Most people wouldn't know how to prevent that from happening or downgrade to SMS and because it feels like texting with a few extra features, they don't want to. That approach has accumulated about a billion users.
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#27My take on this whole thing is that this is basically an elaborate plan to eventually use this in court against Apple to prove its anti-competitive practices. If not for court, then at the least this is a press strategy orchestrated by someone with an interest in opening up the iMessage monopoly. I’m sure the founder realized early on that the prospects of this becoming a valuable company on its own merits were slim…
> I’m sure the founder realized early on that the prospects of this becoming a valuable company on its own merits were slim If you actually knew Eric and the history of Beeper you would understand how hilariously false, absurd and revisionist such a statement is. Eric only started Beeper after validating massive interest from Hacker News for a paid app that would unify disparate communication channels.
I have no personal information on this matter, this is pure speculation.
I agree that the original intent was to do as you say. But the recent actions suggest that new motives may be in play.
Clearly Eric is a very intelligent person. I find it hard to believe that he believed that reverse engineering such an elaborate workaround would work after Apple had already proven that they were willing to shut him down.
If Eric is as smart as you say, then obviously he did not expect this latest iteration to work. Which leads me to conclude there is value (for him, for his investors) in taking these actions to force Apple’s hand.
Then again, maybe he just wants to prove a point and use the exposure to promote their next app. Whether the app will succeed is unknown but the PR strategy so far is crushing it.
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#28Yeah this isn’t surprising, I’ve had this happen to hackintoshes over the years. Apple has always had the ability to ban serials from iMessage afaict, and it also (seemed) to be some automated process. It was frankly pretty risky to tell people to use their real machines for this.
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#29Yeah this isn’t surprising, I’ve had this happen to hackintoshes over the years. Apple has always had the ability to ban serials from iMessage afaict, and it also (seemed) to be some automated process. It was frankly pretty risky to tell people to use their real machines for this.
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That’s awful.
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#30I don't understand the obsession with imessage, what is so special about it?
Android folks upset Google hasn’t been able to crack unified messaging despite ~45 attempts.