Meanwhile your Mac still ships with a shitty 8gb by default
I was about to say that both my M2 Macs (laptop and mini) run fine with 8gb. Haven't noticed any problems. I don't play high-end games, though.
"8GB should be enough for anybody"
32GB of RAM is becoming the standard
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Re: 32GB of RAM is becoming the standard
#22More RAM is becoming the standard because software developed with more RAM is less efficient. And developers tend to have powerful computers "because it's their job", which encourages them to write inefficient code. > 16GB RAM is also a practical capacity for general tasks such as web browsing, office work 16GB RAM to read and write text and see images... I think it just says it all.
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#23“Modern operating systems such as Windows 11 or macOS use additional RAM very efficiently”
Hahahhahahhahhukaufkauf! (Excuse me while I clear my throat) Uh… my 7Mhz 512KB Amiga generally had a better UX.
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That’s okay given the size. The mobo can handle 8000 mt/s, and I can swap sticks whenever I want. Even my gpu has a sweet 24gb ram - more than an average m2. And I can do more than one if I need to train anything.
You are comparing one of the highest end RAM and graphics card to average M2. Don't you think it's bit disingenuous?
I am not entirely following. The m2 and m3 “scary fast” specs cost way more than my setup.
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My first computer that was directly permanently connected to the Internet didn’t even have 16GB of disk space.
I remember buying a ram upgrade to take my internet connected computer to a massive 16MB
I remember in the late 90s/early 00s PC Magazine or something had an ad in the back for a "monster" 47 GB hard drive. That's so quaint now.
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#26>computers with little RAM have to swap this data to the hard drive
The hard drive? What machine is sold with a hard drive as swap in 2024?
Re: 32GB of RAM is becoming the standard
#27More RAM is becoming the standard because software developed with more RAM is less efficient. And developers tend to have powerful computers "because it's their job", which encourages them to write inefficient code. > 16GB RAM is also a practical capacity for general tasks such as web browsing, office work 16GB RAM to read and write text and see images... I think it just says it all.
Windows 98 ran on 16 MB as a pretty enthusiast configuration and it let you browse the web. I recall Outlook was about as capable as now too for most uses (mail, calendar etc).
They say this is happing due to abstraction and saving development costs but I'm not so sure anymore. Windows 11 infamously has large swathes of boilerplate copied around apps that many of their engineers don't even know what it does.
At this point we're far into abstracting abstractions and those abstractions bear their own complexity that may or may not be more complex than what we began with at a fraction of the resource cost...
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They handle memory management quite differently and the usage patterns on those devices is significantly different. You can get higher memory Apple kit if you need it…
> They handle memory management quite differently Think different (tm). Snark aside you're right, Macs are much better at memory management than Linux, swap handling in particular. But that's a very low bar. > the usage patterns on those devices is significantly different. You're right, Mac users tend to run more multimedia productivity tools that benefit greatly from more RAM! > You can get higher memory Apple kit i…
While I agree Apple’s RAM prices are absurd, there’s no reason to overstate them. It’s $200 to go from 8GB to 16GB, and $400 for 24GB.
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#29Somehow this thread has attracted a large number of the “Apple sucks, look how much they charge for X” crowd. It’s ok to fanboy about your favorite hardware and software, but it’s also ok to have differing opinions. I use Windows, macOS, and Linux. I use macOS because I enjoy the casual experience significantly more, I prefer it for browsing and productivity and 8Gb of ram is plenty for that use case. I use Windows for software development and gaming, I have 128GB of ram in that system because it’s nice for games and running Hyper-V without compromising. I use Linux for self hosting, proxmox, docker, and more and that system is a retired R720 with 192GB of ram.
The article is objectively correct, RAM is cheap these days, some apps waste ram, some apps just realize that there no reason not to stretch their legs a bit to offer a better experience. Chrome often gets the short end of the stick, but Chrome does objectively well with RAM considering how inefficient modern web development is. They’re doing the best they can in the modern web dev landscape.
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My non apple linux desktop has a sweet 196 gb of ram 5200 mt/s. Love it.
5200 mt/s is 83 GB/s assuming dual channel, which isn't much compared to 100 GB/s for base M2, and 800 GB/s for M2 ultra[1] [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_M2#:~:text=The%20SoC%20a... .
The higher end M2s just run more chips in parallel. The bandwidth is there to support the GPU.
The latency of LPDDR is higher than desktop RAM, so it relies on the cache to get around that, and the cache is about the same as most x86 CPUs. So there isn't much benefit in the real world.