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UK and US strikes against Houthis under way in Yemen, say US officials

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Re: UK and US strikes against Houthis under way in Yemen, say US officials

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iwontberude wrote: post #4
rrook wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not going to engage in a discussion about valuing human lives, but what are you suggesting? The attacks on ships should be allowed to continue because the conflict? I was pretty young when I was taught that two wrongs don't make a right.

If the US strong armed Israel into a cease fire and to open the blockade on Gaza, two things the US could do if it had the political will, this would stop the Houthi's from attacking ships in the Red Sea. They claim to be fighting against nations supporting the genocide. Seems like they are rational actors even thought I disagree with their methods. Why not deescalate the situation in Gaza and kill two birds with one…

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Re: UK and US strikes against Houthis under way in Yemen, say US officials

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Post by fckhsbra »

wslh wrote: post #15
huytersd wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone that’s generally pro Israel on most things, they are literally massacring men, women and children. They’re culling them like sheep. The response to freedom fighters mounting a resistance shouldn’t be genocide.

It seems like people wake up when it is about Israel but nothing is commented about other athrocities. Double standards are more a mirror about the people. It is not about the issue itself but about the obsessive focus on one topic. If you look at HN most articles pro Israel are flagged while anti-israel does not.

There is a double standard but it's not the one you think.

Israel is the only state that can get away with such behavior without a single sanction. Russia is under a severe package of sanctions for doing something that is not fundamentally different.

Israel is also a particular focus in the West (and especially in America) because it's done with US support (in the UN) and US weapons. So, yes, people are talking about it more than, say, the situation in Myanmar. Note that there are also sanctions against Myanmar, among other things a ban on military sales to them for what they are doing; so can we now similarly ban the sales of weapons to Israel?

Re: UK and US strikes against Houthis under way in Yemen, say US officials

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Post by tptacek »

fckhsbra wrote: post #23
wslh wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like people wake up when it is about Israel but nothing is commented about other athrocities. Double standards are more a mirror about the people. It is not about the issue itself but about the obsessive focus on one topic. If you look at HN most articles pro Israel are flagged while anti-israel does not.

There is a double standard but it's not the one you think. Israel is the only state that can get away with such behavior without a single sanction. Russia is under a severe package of sanctions for doing something that is not fundamentally different. Israel is also a particular focus in the West (and especially in America) because it's done with US support (in the UN) and US weapons. So, yes, people are talking about…

I think a lot of what Israel has done is hard to defend, but it is all very much unlike what Russia has done. An organized military organization didn't invade Russia from Ukraine and kill hundreds upon hundreds of civilians, face to face, and then return to Ukraine vowing to repeat the attack. That did in fact happen to Israel.

Re: UK and US strikes against Houthis under way in Yemen, say US officials

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Post by runarberg »

tptacek wrote: post #24
fckhsbra wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a double standard but it's not the one you think. Israel is the only state that can get away with such behavior without a single sanction. Russia is under a severe package of sanctions for doing something that is not fundamentally different. Israel is also a particular focus in the West (and especially in America) because it's done with US support (in the UN) and US weapons. So, yes, people are talking about…

I think a lot of what Israel has done is hard to defend, but it is all very much unlike what Russia has done. An organized military organization didn't invade Russia from Ukraine and kill hundreds upon hundreds of civilians, face to face, and then return to Ukraine vowing to repeat the attack. That did in fact happen to Israel.

They don’t offer exemptions on human rights if you have the right motive. Human rights are supposed to be kept regardless of past wrongs. So what happened to Israel prior to their violations of international agreements is irrelevant. The double standard here is that both Russia and Israel are guilty of breaking human rights but instead of ordering sanctions against Israel, many nations offered them more weapons to double down on their atrocities. And in fact Israel’s crimes against humanity far exceed those of Russia. So the double standard is even amplified.

EDIT: Executive’s director of Human Rights Watch on the international double standard https://aje.io/ussvy1?update=2613047

Re: UK and US strikes against Houthis under way in Yemen, say US officials

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Post by remarkEon »

stats111 wrote: post #2

The UK and US cares more about shipping lanes than living breathing human beings in Gaza.

Comments like these operate from a premise that the UK/US are some kind of global Empire that is picking and choosing where it gets involved. In some ways, that's actually true. But not true enough, unfortunately in my opinion, for your comment to accurately describe the decision making process going on within UK/US leadership circles.

I genuinely wish it were so that the US were powerful enough such that some junior staffer in the State Department could snap his or her fingers and end the conflict in Gaza.

Re: UK and US strikes against Houthis under way in Yemen, say US officials

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Post by tptacek »

runarberg wrote: post #27
tptacek wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a lot of what Israel has done is hard to defend, but it is all very much unlike what Russia has done. An organized military organization didn't invade Russia from Ukraine and kill hundreds upon hundreds of civilians, face to face, and then return to Ukraine vowing to repeat the attack. That did in fact happen to Israel.

They don’t offer exemptions on human rights if you have the right motive. Human rights are supposed to be kept regardless of past wrongs. So what happened to Israel prior to their violations of international agreements is irrelevant. The double standard here is that both Russia and Israel are guilty of breaking human rights but instead of ordering sanctions against Israel, many nations offered them more weapons to do…

You're rebutting an argument I didn't make. Not being like Russia doesn't excuse war crimes.

Re: UK and US strikes against Houthis under way in Yemen, say US officials

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Post by wslh »

fckhsbra wrote: post #23
wslh wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like people wake up when it is about Israel but nothing is commented about other athrocities. Double standards are more a mirror about the people. It is not about the issue itself but about the obsessive focus on one topic. If you look at HN most articles pro Israel are flagged while anti-israel does not.

There is a double standard but it's not the one you think. Israel is the only state that can get away with such behavior without a single sanction. Russia is under a severe package of sanctions for doing something that is not fundamentally different. Israel is also a particular focus in the West (and especially in America) because it's done with US support (in the UN) and US weapons. So, yes, people are talking about…

> Israel is also a particular focus in the West (and especially in America) because it's done with US support (in the UN) and US weapons.

You are nitpicking historical events. It's critical not to view events in isolation, they are deeply linked to the past, rather than being a series of unrelated incidents.

In 1948, following the UN Partition Plan of Palestine approved the creation of two states (this decision was made by the same United Nations to which you referred) Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq attacked Israel (yes, Israel because it was approved as a new country by the UN in the same way it happened to other nations).

US did a weapon embargo [1] that no benefited Israel (and the five other attackers). In this conflict, Israel was in a defensive position and Israel won that war without US support. The history is fluid.

Also, at that time Iran mas a monarchy and in 1979 after the Iranian revolution converted into a theocracy. Iran uses proxies for igniting more fire into the region. Not an opinion.

We can talk in the future again once Iran, probably, converts into a nuclear power.

[1] https://pluto.huji.ac.il/~slonims/publications/48_American_E...

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