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I could never understand what “social batteries” ever mean. If you are low on “social”, that seems… bad? Does it mean I should approach to talk and cheer/charge you up with some “social”? I guess if I can see you then you could be in public on purpose. However, why is it red? Red is generally not a friendly color… People with lacking social skills (hi) are probably least likely to understand such a mixed signal. To a…

IME people use it to refer to their capacity to cope with people, small talk, etc. equivalently 'stamina'.

“Low on stamina” actually makes sense.

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I could never understand what “social batteries” ever mean. If you are low on “social”, that seems… bad? Does it mean I should approach to talk and cheer/charge you up with some “social”? I guess if I can see you then you could be in public on purpose. However, why is it red? Red is generally not a friendly color… People with lacking social skills (hi) are probably least likely to understand such a mixed signal. To a…

I have multiple chronic pain and health issues that can make extended social situations hard for me. Often it sneaks up on me. "low social battery"/"spoons" doesn't mean you should avoid them or try and fix anything. What you should do is take it as a signal to not take offense and be patient if they need to leave suddenly, get distracted, or have difficulty. You can be welcoming while still making them some space to…

Took a while to get it but I can see your final point. Still must note that it makes applying critical thought harder and can lead to opposite results. I guess it would work with people with whom it is established beforehand what the battery is supposed to mean.

The first point, thanks for the insight. Depending on the type of pain it can be the opposite for me, sometimes I find it easier to distract myself from it by talking to others. I am normally not inclined to talk IRL, but being badly ill and weak turns me into a more pleasant person apparently.

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post #13

This looks fun! How do you get on with shipping outside the UK? Is there any trickiness with taxes, customs etc that you need to deal with?

I haven't had any problems with it yet and I've sent enough abroad now that someone would have complained by now if there were issues (I hope!). I'm just using the basic Royal Mail international postage option which is DDU (delivery duty unpaid - something else I learned through doing this!) so tax is the responsibility of the buyer.

Customs is the part I found most stressful trying to work out. I have to attach a declaration which has an HS code[0] on it. Working out the 'correct' code was a bit of a guessing game. I've gone with '853120' which is for 'Indicator panels incorporating liquid crystal devices (LCD) or light-emitting diodes (LED)' and that seems to do the job!

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonized_System

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post #13

This looks fun! How do you get on with shipping outside the UK? Is there any trickiness with taxes, customs etc that you need to deal with?

I haven't had any problems with it yet and I've sent enough abroad now that someone would have complained by now if there were issues (I hope!). I'm just using the basic Royal Mail international postage option which is DDU (delivery duty unpaid - something else I learned through doing this!) so tax is the responsibility of the buyer. Customs is the part I found most stressful trying to work out. I have to attach a de…

Having said that, I may pay to send a couple of international orders tracked just so I can see how long it takes and if there are any hold-ups I should be aware of.

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I could never understand what “social batteries” ever mean. If you are low on “social”, that seems… bad? Does it mean I should approach to talk and cheer/charge you up with some “social”? I guess if I can see you then you could be in public on purpose. However, why is it red? Red is generally not a friendly color… People with lacking social skills (hi) are probably least likely to understand such a mixed signal. To a…

I know that I have a social battery. Basically, I get warn down on conversations and social interactions. Typically, this manifests in two ways:

* I'm more prone to day dream/wander away from the conversation.

* I'm going to struggle to actively keep a conversation going.

I don't think I could ever wear a pin like this, but for me low social battery would indicate "I'm less likely to be highly engaged in a conversation". Could be the most interesting conversation in the world, but I'd simply be unable to engage at a high level.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have multiple chronic pain and health issues that can make extended social situations hard for me. Often it sneaks up on me. "low social battery"/"spoons" doesn't mean you should avoid them or try and fix anything. What you should do is take it as a signal to not take offense and be patient if they need to leave suddenly, get distracted, or have difficulty. You can be welcoming while still making them some space to…

Took a while to get it but I can see your final point. Still must note that it makes applying critical thought harder and can lead to opposite results. I guess it would work with people with whom it is established beforehand what the battery is supposed to mean. The first point, thanks for the insight. Depending on the type of pain it can be the opposite for me, sometimes I find it easier to distract myself from it b…

Totally the same on distracting myself from pain by talking to others pattern! It is a big part of why I put myself in social situations despite being in pain.

At the end of the day, it is all crappy 1st order approximations of ideal behavior. That is the best humans can do. So we should try and make sure the "error" on those gets spread around/rotated in time rather than consistently excluding anybody.

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post #14

This is nice, and well done getting all the way to production! As you point out in one of your posts, the meaning conveyed by the same battery level differs between extroverts and introverts. For me, low social battery would mean "please leave me alone", whereas for others it would mean "please talk to me". I wonder how that could be conveyed, of if there is another analogy other than battery level? Maybe a "talk to…

I do like the traffic light idea. It's hard with the battery constraints of a wearable, but e-ink and a larger display might help give even more nuance.

I previously worked on a similar project focused on office interruptions, where you could display short statuses on an e-ink display on your desk - here's my teammate's writeup: https://www.timmychiu.com/dash . We didn't really get the chance to test it in the field, since COVID-19 hit that semester...

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post #14

This is nice, and well done getting all the way to production! As you point out in one of your posts, the meaning conveyed by the same battery level differs between extroverts and introverts. For me, low social battery would mean "please leave me alone", whereas for others it would mean "please talk to me". I wonder how that could be conveyed, of if there is another analogy other than battery level? Maybe a "talk to…

Should come in different colored LEDs: green for extravert, red for introvert, and maybe yellow for normal/average?

Also: 10% 20% 60% 80% 100% ?

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I would like one that was just red and green. By default: red.

Then I can shift it to green which automatically starts a countdown to shift to red after 15 minutes.

It would be even better with the countdown being visual with a bar of lights that starts up "full" and then decreases by one light until the time has expired.

Must have the feature to extend the conversation should that ever be a desire. You can find good conversations with luck.

Most desired for me would be automatic detection of conversation and start the countdown.

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I could never understand what “social batteries” ever mean. If you are low on “social”, that seems… bad? Does it mean I should approach to talk and cheer/charge you up with some “social”? I guess if I can see you then you could be in public on purpose. However, why is it red? Red is generally not a friendly color… People with lacking social skills (hi) are probably least likely to understand such a mixed signal. To a…

I know that I have a social battery. Basically, I get warn down on conversations and social interactions. Typically, this manifests in two ways: * I'm more prone to day dream/wander away from the conversation. * I'm going to struggle to actively keep a conversation going. I don't think I could ever wear a pin like this, but for me low social battery would indicate "I'm less likely to be highly engaged in a conversati…

A battery accumulates something desirable, right?

I think I got it finally. What you describe is aloneness battery. First you have a lot of it, then it drains and you need to recharge. It is the opposite of “social battery”, but does not roll off the tongue.

“Social battery” means you have a lot of social interaction as optimal state, then it drains and you need to replenish.

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