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I used to take endless notes on .org documents and build myself small wiki sites in django... You know what makes the difference? Take a walk, or catch a train and think about what you read. Find the main ideas and how the material relates to yourself. Play with it and ask yourself questions about it. Then next day try to answer them in paper without extra material. And only after that reread the book to check or fin…

* Learning from a book is hard

Books are awesome. Really.

But reading is the first step. You never learn only by reading. You have to relate the ideas with your prior knowledge and practice it or apply it somewhere.

You also have to get a nice book. And have to practice reading. Reading is a skill, it's an extension of imagination. You have to practice that, and reading is an awesome way.

Re: How to forget what you read

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> Otherwise, wasn’t reading it in the first place a waste of our precious time?

I weirdly wish the article entertained the answer of “yes!”

Instead of doing that it barely backs the knowledge-obsessed away from the cliff in an attempt to convince them to just don’t take quite so many notes, maybe step back and stop pretending like you’re crunching for an exam and absorb the information you’re reading.

But I would actually take this a step further for a lot of people and say that, depending on what you’re reading and why you’re reading, it might be quite literally a waste of time, especially if you’re reading not for enjoyment but because you feel pressure to gain knowledge and constantly upskill.

There’s a concept of the movie buff being cursed to watch worse and worse movies over time. They start with the best must-watch movies and it’s all downhill from there. They get done watching something like (wildly random examples) Amelie, Spirited Away, or the original Star Wars trilogy and hunt for something that scratches the same itch, only to find out that they just watched the best/only example of that particular concept done well.

In the same way, something I notice about frequent readers is that they’re reading utter trash, and probably for a similar reason. Luckily for them, there are far more books than movies, but I think there’s merit to this concept.

Obviously, there’s a ton of value in reading especially during grade school as it helps you gain valuable language and writing skills, but I think my advice on top of what this article says is that you don’t have to read shit if you don’t want to. Life isn’t really only about knowledge-based enlightenment, that’s just one feature of life among many.

Re: How to forget what you read

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I've done something quite simple that has worked for me this year.

I read with a highlighter pen, just highlighting the places I find interesting, and maybe cornering a few pages once in a while. That costs no more energy than just reading the book, if anything highlighting allows my mind to stay focused on the book.

couple weeks after the book is finished, I'll come back only to the highlighted parts and write some of them down in a a4 page, which I then fold in the book.

That way I have a personal 1 page book summary which I come back to from time to time.

I liked an idea I saw on Youtube from someone saying "for each chapter, I find something actionable I commit to do for a week". A bit on the heavy side, but I like the actionable aspect of it

Re: How to forget what you read

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I used to take endless notes on .org documents and build myself small wiki sites in django... You know what makes the difference? Take a walk, or catch a train and think about what you read. Find the main ideas and how the material relates to yourself. Play with it and ask yourself questions about it. Then next day try to answer them in paper without extra material. And only after that reread the book to check or fin…

This is a truth about learning that people don't want to hear, but they need to hear it. Everyone wants to hear about magic productivity and learning hacks. They end up speed-reading and playing Anki, but they get nowhere. What's worse is they think they're getting somewhere, especially with the facade erected by games like Anki.

There are no shortcuts to learning and memorizing what you read. You have to really digest it, synthesize your own thoughts on it, and use it. You get out of it what you put into it.

Re: How to forget what you read

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>forgetting is a filter

Exactly. Spaced repetition is a remarkably effective learning technique, but it can't tell you what to learn.

At some point I think we have to stop listening to external authorities and rely on our own judgement about what to learn, and how to do so, as signalled by feelings of excitement about particular authors and ideas. One of the effects of formal education is to dampen or corrupt that intuition, e.g. by instilling the desire to learn things 'properly' (say in a certain prearranged sequence) or by the desire to only learn prestigious topics in order to impress other people.

If we are engaged meaningfully with reality we will inevitably revisit particular subjects or authors multiple times. This is an organic form of spaced repetition. Forgetting certain things is part of that: we learn to swim during the winter and to skate during the summer.

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To be honest, I would love to forget some books I read and re-live the thrill of being startled by the plot again.

> To be honest, I would love to forget some books I read and re-live the thrill of being startled by the plot again.

To be perfectly honest, I'd love to be startled by the plot the first time round :-/

Re: How to forget what you read

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I used to take endless notes on .org documents and build myself small wiki sites in django... You know what makes the difference? Take a walk, or catch a train and think about what you read. Find the main ideas and how the material relates to yourself. Play with it and ask yourself questions about it. Then next day try to answer them in paper without extra material. And only after that reread the book to check or fin…

This is a truth about learning that people don't want to hear, but they need to hear it. Everyone wants to hear about magic productivity and learning hacks. They end up speed-reading and playing Anki, but they get nowhere. What's worse is they think they're getting somewhere, especially with the facade erected by games like Anki. There are no shortcuts to learning and memorizing what you read. You have to really dige…

As someone who has reached a useful level of conversational ability in two languages, primarily because of Anki, I strongly disagree that using it gets you "nowhere". I don't have the luxury of language immersion (e.g. living abroad or interacting daily with native speakers). For me, Anki has enabled a level of vocab and grammar recall that I simply wouldn't achieve any other way. Arguably more importantly, it has given me an easy way to achieve the discipline of spending at least 30 minutes a day studying the language. I'm far more likely on a daily basis to think "I need to complete my Anki due cards today" than I am to proactively find 30 minutes every day to study using other methods. In the end, as the author of the article notes, a learning method which you actually use is better than a theoretically superior method which you don't get around to using.

I've found non-language topics to be more challenging. Whether or not a card is useful depends largely on how well written it is. You need to find the right wording which captures the essence of the point while remaining simplistic and atomic enough that the card doesn't become tedious to re-visit. I'd argue that the process of crafting the right card is equivalent to digesting it and synthesizing your own thoughts on it. I'd also argue that if you believe Anki positions itself as a "shortcut" then you've probably used it incorrectly. It is indeed true that you get out what you put in, and low-effort Anki cards will most likely end up being abandoned or deleted. Useful cards require effort, the same as any other learning/memorising technique.

Re: How to forget what you read

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Completely agree based on my experience. The author's experiences are shared by me and what finally forced me to change my process was reading Alexander Grothendieck. I was not expecting such a prolific writer to espouse such relaxed principles to learn. More than anything, I noticed he emphasized taking time to just _sit and think_. Put things into your own words and pictures as you do. Don't act like a hammer trying to crack the nut, but instead simply "sit and listen to the voices of things". I also just enjoy life more with this method, no more rush. Much more listening.

Re: How to forget what you read

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Katarina Janoskova, linked in the article, writes: > Is [reading] just a waste of time? Well, no, I don’t think so. Every book makes a mark. Even if it doesn’t stay in your conscious memory. Just as every single thing that happens to you does and every person you meet. I once read a short essay by Patrick Süskind (author of "Perfume - The Story of a Murderer"). I am paraphrasing, but in it, he discusses his embarrass…

I never cease to be surprised with the attempts to make everything productive nowadays. Of course, everyone can do whatever they want but it seems to me a symptom of how society works nowadays that instead of just enjoying the act of reading and remembering whatever details impact us, we obsess with being able to retrieve information from them

This assumes that the main purpose of reading is always enjoyment. Often that is not the case; we read because we require the knowledge contained in the book for our work. The converse of only engaging with a book on an emotional level and retaining only those details which are interesting is forgetting those parts which were difficult/boring but useful.

Re: How to forget what you read

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Katarina Janoskova, linked in the article, writes: > Is [reading] just a waste of time? Well, no, I don’t think so. Every book makes a mark. Even if it doesn’t stay in your conscious memory. Just as every single thing that happens to you does and every person you meet. I once read a short essay by Patrick Süskind (author of "Perfume - The Story of a Murderer"). I am paraphrasing, but in it, he discusses his embarrass…

Do you happen to have a link to said essay or know the name as I can't find it and would be interested in reading it. I also gladly confess to not remembering the plot of the vast majority of the works of fiction that I've read.
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