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Everyone's getting ghosted, the new normal in tech recruiting

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Re: Everyone's getting ghosted, the new normal in tech recruiting

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Every time I've been passed over for a job, I've been notified in a timely manner. I would consider anything less to be grossly, outrageously unprofessional. It's never happened to me, but if it ever does, you best believe I am going to name and shame the hell out of that company. Everyone deserves to know, and people like this don't deserve to have anyone working for them.

I’m trying to get started in this field, I am finishing grad school in the spring and applying everywhere…

I mostly hear nothing. It is incredibly unprofessional.

Re: Everyone's getting ghosted, the new normal in tech recruiting

#22
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as a founder recruiting engineers of various skillsets/expertise i simply don't have the bandwidth to respond to every non-qualified candidate.

This logic doesn't really scan for me. If you care about optimizing your time enough to not respond to the deluge of unqualified candidates you receive, then you might benefit from an ATS, which will make it trivial to send a polite rejection to multiple candidates with a single click, whilst also enabling you to progress others more efficiently.

You don't have to use Lever (just noped out of using them at our company bc they don't put any pricing data on their website + refused to answer simple questions over email, insisting on a "sales call", which is an even clearer indicator of a company which doesn't value my time than one which does not reply to an application altogether) – there are plugins like Streak which can make this effortless.

If you are experiencing an influx of unqualified candidates, you might also consider making your requirements much more explicit, although you'll still get people trying their luck.

Re: Everyone's getting ghosted, the new normal in tech recruiting

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post #5

as a founder recruiting engineers of various skillsets/expertise i simply don't have the bandwidth to respond to every non-qualified candidate.

Yup. It’s too much work, literally. Especially when 20% of the resumes you get end up being fake

If you have enough candidates that it's too much work to reject people, you likely have enough candidates to merit at least a simple templating and candidate management app or plugin. It is absolutely trivial to one-click reject groups of people.

Re: Everyone's getting ghosted, the new normal in tech recruiting

#24

One of my top lessons I've learned doing successful startups: 1. Recruiting is the #1 job of any startup CEO, and the #1 determiner of corporate success. 2. Up market, down market, side market, it doesn't matter: You will get better employees if you treat candidates with respect and you will be more competitive. 3. It's a lot of work for the 95% of clowns out there you interview, and there's a push towards automated…

I think the last paragraph is blunted in companies where teams recruit/interview for their own team (as opposed to recruiting/interviewing for the company in general).

In the former, if I do a good job, at least I get better colleagues on my team, making my daily life better and giving my team more chance to be seen as successful.

Re: Everyone's getting ghosted, the new normal in tech recruiting

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post #4

Getting ghosted 95% of the time has been the default for decades.

Agreed. A bit besides the point, but I'm dating a recruiter that has worked in a few industries, but not tech. She says, as a rule, she doesn't provide feedback. People just don't listen or accept it, they just use it as an opportunity to argue. So what's the point?

Re: Everyone's getting ghosted, the new normal in tech recruiting

#28
Both of the following can be true at the same time:

  1. I personally owe a response to anyone who reaches out to me, in a timely manner, even if that answer is no, because to intentionally ignore a request is unethical.
  2. I will strive to have built up many and different areas in my life, such that my sense of confidence is not impacted by the actions or inactions of people who are, in essence, strangers.
If you want to inure yourself to people ghosting you, spend some time in a sales gig doing cold calls. The vast majority of people will not respond to you and that is not only OK, that is a good thing. You want to be with people who give you a positive return on your energy, not people who sink your energy.

Move on.

Re: Everyone's getting ghosted, the new normal in tech recruiting

#29

The ghosting problem is fixable in 2 seconds with any LLM + AI recruiting pipelining tool. That is the solution to this. Someone will figure it out in the next three months or less. On the other hand, here is the reality: In a "hiring company friendly" environment, where they cut all their expensive recruiters / or all recruiters / or simply don't care / or treat recruiters as disposable this is what you get. We are…

A few months ago I started keeping a list of times someone said "AI will fix it" mentions. You made the list.

Re: Everyone's getting ghosted, the new normal in tech recruiting

#30

The ghosting problem is fixable in 2 seconds with any LLM + AI recruiting pipelining tool. That is the solution to this. Someone will figure it out in the next three months or less. On the other hand, here is the reality: In a "hiring company friendly" environment, where they cut all their expensive recruiters / or all recruiters / or simply don't care / or treat recruiters as disposable this is what you get. We are…

Maybe everyone engaged in this perverse machine is to blame? I mean not the individuals. We all have to eat. But the category as a whole.

Maybe if we would just avoid this SV hellish circle and find places or modes of work that are in direct opposition to that, we can at least reclaim our sanity back.

I assume people accept these shitty conditions because this is where the money is at? So maybe we won't get rich avoiding these working environments, but live comfortable enough? We might even have enough energy and time to devote to side projects, our community and such.

Maybe the obscenely fat paycheck isn't the only way to go.

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