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Reckless DMCA Deindexing Pushes NASA's Artemis Towards Black Hole

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Re: Reckless DMCA Deindexing Pushes NASA's Artemis Towards Black Hole

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Post by ipaddr »

neilv wrote: post #17
hug wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TorrentFreak is a news site, not a site that enables torrenting per se. That said, your analogy is also flawed: this is not a gunpowder accident, it’s one merchant turning the cannons on the other, and the complaining party is the only one that has been anti-cannon the entire time. Copyright reform advocates are and always were saying that the protection laws were doing more harm than good.

TorrentFreak is not a disinterested journalism site. Their sponsor ads are clearly targeted at pirates.

Can you name a non disinterested journalism site?

Re: Reckless DMCA Deindexing Pushes NASA's Artemis Towards Black Hole

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Post by kmeisthax »

neilv wrote: post #16
icehawk wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn't follow, online copyright infringement didn't require anyone to write the DMCA in its current form.

Piracy empowered crappy corporations and politicians to do DMCA.

No. Piracy always existed and the corporations didn't need DMCA 512 to sue people. In fact, before 512 you could sue platforms directly and get a huge judgement. 512 protects Google, not creators, plaintiffs, defendants, or copyright holders at large.

Re: Reckless DMCA Deindexing Pushes NASA's Artemis Towards Black Hole

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Post by anigbrowl »

neilv wrote: post #11

Web site that profits from widespread copyright violation-- decries the flawed legal mechanisms that widespread copyright violation enabled. DMCA has serious problems in practice, and needs correcting. But the piracy community should not be the ones criticizing every time a merchant ship has a gunpowder accident from the cannons they're required to carry because of the pirates .

Digital piracy took off in part because copyright restrictions were so unreasonable and onerous to begin with. Copyright was last extended to its current absurd length in 1998, and its provisions were retroactive, which is arguably unconstitutional.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Term_Extension_Act

Re: Reckless DMCA Deindexing Pushes NASA's Artemis Towards Black Hole

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

Lucasoato wrote: post #18
neilv wrote: post #11

Web site that profits from widespread copyright violation-- decries the flawed legal mechanisms that widespread copyright violation enabled. DMCA has serious problems in practice, and needs correcting. But the piracy community should not be the ones criticizing every time a merchant ship has a gunpowder accident from the cannons they're required to carry because of the pirates .

We need a good balance between pirates and merchants. If the former get too strong, it would stifle innovation and disincentive people from investing into improvements, technology, slowing the humanity’s progress towards a better world. If the latter become too strong, (as it is right now) all those benefits risk to fall in too few hands, making this world even more unbalanced and unjust. Let’s not give for granted t…

>We need a good balance between pirates and merchants.

I disagree.

We need sensible copyright terms of certainly no more than the patent terms (20 years) and probably a default of half-that.

We need to remove closed distribution if we want market forces to act -- by which I mean all distribution services can offer a work (maybe after 1 or 2 years of exclusive use) provided they pay the copyright holder the fee set.

No copyright unless a work can enter the public domain. So, creators need to deposit DRM free copies, or have no DRM. Sellers need to ensure games have server code available, or no copyright.

We don't need to support copyright infringement, we need to be serious about the public domain and ensure the system works for the demos.

These are of course my own views, independent of my employment.

Re: Reckless DMCA Deindexing Pushes NASA's Artemis Towards Black Hole

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Post by neilv »

anigbrowl wrote: post #23
neilv wrote: post #11

Web site that profits from widespread copyright violation-- decries the flawed legal mechanisms that widespread copyright violation enabled. DMCA has serious problems in practice, and needs correcting. But the piracy community should not be the ones criticizing every time a merchant ship has a gunpowder accident from the cannons they're required to carry because of the pirates .

Digital piracy took off in part because copyright restrictions were so unreasonable and onerous to begin with. Copyright was last extended to its current absurd length in 1998, and its provisions were retroactive, which is arguably unconstitutional. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Term_Extension_Act

It took off because people don't want to pay for things if they don't have to, and the rest is mostly rationalization and retconning.

Re: Reckless DMCA Deindexing Pushes NASA's Artemis Towards Black Hole

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Post by Animats »

giantrobot wrote: post #7
Animats wrote: post #4

This would be a really good case to push the Department of Justice to investigate. There are criminal penalties for false claim of copyright infringement, but only the Attorney General can initiate a case. For knocking NASA PR out of search, that just might be possible. Complain to NASA's PR people. NASA still has some political clout. Enough to take on some Instagrammer.

It's rich that someone on Instagram picked the name of a Greek goddess and is able, through the insanity of the DMCA, squat on that name.

Also true of "Nike".

Re: Reckless DMCA Deindexing Pushes NASA's Artemis Towards Black Hole

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Post by 666throwaway666 »

A lot of these DMCA agents for hire come from the porn industry. Our company has been attacked by Eric Green [1] with baseless defective DMCA notices (including notices to the ISP), to which we have not responded. Our legal counsel (a renown copyright lawyer) advised not respond, because the notices were defective (baseless). He pointed out however, that his cowboy background comes from the porn industry, that he expanded into other areas. The problem is that the copyright law doesn't provide for an adequate punishment for unscrupulous DMCA notices.

1. https://www.reddit.com/r/Etsy/s/cQfDsf4nE2

https://www.reddit.com/r/Etsy/s/HEhayRGlG9

https://support.google.com/websearch/thread/28023794/someone...

Re: Reckless DMCA Deindexing Pushes NASA's Artemis Towards Black Hole

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Post by RcouF1uZ4gsC »

For the lawyers on HN, would you able to bring a lawsuit for defamation and tortuous interference?

Falsely accusing someone of bad behavior in an attempt to affect a business relationship seems like it would have some possible civil remedies?

Re: Reckless DMCA Deindexing Pushes NASA's Artemis Towards Black Hole

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Post by jandrese »

kmeisthax wrote: post #20
giantrobot wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's rich that someone on Instagram picked the name of a Greek goddess and is able, through the insanity of the DMCA, squat on that name.

They aren't trying to squat on the name. They wanted to remove copies of their own photographs and picked the cheapest lawyer they could find, who proceeded to blast out bullshit notices in their clients' names. Likely because anyone more competent would be entirely outside their budget. If there is anything to learn here, it's that... - DMCA 512 is wholly inadequate for creators because there are zero protections fo…

The media cartels are pretty happy with it, being able to take down massive swaths of the Internet with no realistic consequences for false positives.
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