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Apple is officially no longer selling the newest Apple Watch in America

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Re: Apple is officially no longer selling the newest Apple Watch in America

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Post by donkers »

patentatt wrote: post #16
rogerkirkness wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google doesn't do business in China because they won't agree to the privacy violating terms of doing so, that is at least a $1T principle if you compare it to the amount of hardware and services that Apple sells there.

I find this dubious. Google is not known for respecting privacy, and large corporations in general are not known for voluntarily passing on trillion dollar markets on moral grounds. Is there perhaps an alternative explanation that isn't as far fetched?

This has some context on Google’s exit from China. They refused to censor the search engine to China’s liking.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_China#2010–2016:_Giving...

Re: Apple is officially no longer selling the newest Apple Watch in America

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Post by doix »

hasty_pudding wrote: post #12

Why doesn't Apple enter into a deal with Masimo for a small percentage of the watch? Unless I missed it, the news article didn't go into more detail on why a deal couldn't be made.

There was another article with this quote[0]:

> “If they don’t want to use our chip, I’ll work with them to make their product good,” Mr. Kiani said. “Once it’s good enough, I’m happy to give them a license.”

It sounds like they didn't just want some money. They wanted them to use their chip or partner with them.

I am no Apple fan, but telling them to politely fuck off seems reasonable to me.

[0] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/18/technology/apple-ban-watc...

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Post by snotrockets »

rogerkirkness wrote: post #5
fragmede wrote: post #4

I trust Apple's commitment to privacy as much as I do Google's, but when they both remove a product over a stupid patent rather than pay the patent holder (Sonos' sued Google with their multiroom audio patent), we can see that it's possible for corporations to hold principled views about things.

Google doesn't do business in China because they won't agree to the privacy violating terms of doing so, that is at least a $1T principle if you compare it to the amount of hardware and services that Apple sells there.

Google’s executives would very much like to operate in China, only they faced public pressure (the term to search for is “project dragonfly”).

I won’t be surprised if they’ll retry to enter China soon.

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Post by JCharante »

mulmen wrote: post #13
rogerkirkness wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google doesn't do business in China because they won't agree to the privacy violating terms of doing so, that is at least a $1T principle if you compare it to the amount of hardware and services that Apple sells there.

Is that a fair comparison? Apple sells devices, Google sells targeted advertising. Their business and constraints are different.

Apple has iCloud and chooses which governments to give the keys to

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Post by MikusR »

mulmen wrote: post #13
rogerkirkness wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google doesn't do business in China because they won't agree to the privacy violating terms of doing so, that is at least a $1T principle if you compare it to the amount of hardware and services that Apple sells there.

Is that a fair comparison? Apple sells devices, Google sells targeted advertising. Their business and constraints are different.

Apple also sells services.

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Post by eganist »

ceejayoz wrote: post #14
eganist wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And they often do. Apple of all companies certainly could've afforded to pay.

Not necessarily. Their “we won’t pay, and will go scorched earth on your patent portfolio” may prevent a flood of others with BS patents showing up.

Or legitimate claims, which is likely the deciding factor behind apple doubling down.

Apple should lose this, if only to minimize the deterrent effect so that others know they can prevail with legitimate claims.

Re: Apple is officially no longer selling the newest Apple Watch in America

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Post by jmyeet »

sandworm101 wrote: post #3

Absolutely no sympathy. Those who live by the patent shall die by the patent.

When has Apple ever sued over patent infringement? There was the Samsung case [1] but that was a design issue.

Apple, Google, Meta and other big tech companies have used patents defensively not offensively. That is, as mutually-assured destruction.

The real villains in this story are the patent holding companies that sue in East Texas to get in front of one judge that, at a time, heard a quarter of all US patent cases, all brought by NPEs (non-practicing entities aka patent trolls). IIRC there was at a time another judge and I heard a story that a popular law firm employed a relative to conflict out the second judge so they could get the judge they wanted.

Apple aren't the bad guys in the patent mess.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc._v._Samsung_Electron....

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Post by mc32 »

borgunit2 wrote: post #7
sandworm101 wrote: post #3

Absolutely no sympathy. Those who live by the patent shall die by the patent.

I’m holding judgement until the case is investigated further. It’s my understanding that so far everyone has basically said, “there’s enough evidence to proceed in court.” Patent reform is something that is sorely needed (and more funding for the USPTO). Take for example this patent on an anti gravity device: https://www.nature.com/articles/438139a#:~:text=The%20US%20p... . And then there’s the patent troll problem.…

As an outsider, it certainly looks like they “re-engineered” the other companies tech and introd into their devices.

Re: Apple is officially no longer selling the newest Apple Watch in America

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Post by JulianWasTaken »

dlenski wrote: post #9

BS patents are bad, and patents lasting 20+ years are bad, but if someone's gonna get maimed by them… I can hardly think of a more deserving victim than Apple.

Are you intimating Apple has been litigious with patents? Or just saying you have no sympathy for companies with lots of money?

(This isn't a leading question, I have no informed opinion about Apple specifically.)

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