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Re: A recent software update was not successful. Your vehicle cannot be driven

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I wish someone would make a truly dumb car. Sure you can have microcontrollers for emissions, safety, etc but beyond that give me a 1970s user interface and make the car as independent of technology as possible.

Absolutely this. Been hoping that this will become a cool trend someday. Perhaps when teen-age Gen-Alpha or Gen-Beta kids seek to differentiate themselves from their Algorithm-controlled over-sharing IG/Tiktok parents.

Re: A recent software update was not successful. Your vehicle cannot be driven

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It’s a bit troubling that automakers (and, well, anyone who is building things that have mechanisms for software updates) aren’t making software updates failsafe. If you have multiple copies of the image on storage, and you take care not to touch the currently-running image, then a failed software update to the alternate image shouldn’t have any impact. Think of it like blue-green deployments on the cloud; and it’s w…

My router has dual firmware partitions, the fact a car doesn’t is inexcusable

Re: A recent software update was not successful. Your vehicle cannot be driven

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post #12

I wish someone would make a truly dumb car. Sure you can have microcontrollers for emissions, safety, etc but beyond that give me a 1970s user interface and make the car as independent of technology as possible.

My eldest daughter knows her way around cars, and she refuses to buy any car that has any sort of computer in it.

She knows how to change this, repair that, fit whatever and is very happy doing that. But she also knows that as a female if she goes into any garage for a 'diagnostic' she will be overcharged. In fact even for something normal with a 'non-computer' car she will be overcharged.

Cars without computers are like gold.

Re: A recent software update was not successful. Your vehicle cannot be driven

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How could they waste the opportunity of undivided driver attention not to display any ads?! Show them nearest Starbucks where they can relax, or Lidl where they can buy some Coke. C'mon automotive, hammer in the final nail to your coffin.

Re: A recent software update was not successful. Your vehicle cannot be driven

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post #23
post #12

I wish someone would make a truly dumb car. Sure you can have microcontrollers for emissions, safety, etc but beyond that give me a 1970s user interface and make the car as independent of technology as possible.

My eldest daughter knows her way around cars, and she refuses to buy any car that has any sort of computer in it. She knows how to change this, repair that, fit whatever and is very happy doing that. But she also knows that as a female if she goes into any garage for a 'diagnostic' she will be overcharged. In fact even for something normal with a 'non-computer' car she will be overcharged. Cars without computers are…

any car builtin the last 100 years have electrical components. Any car built in the last 50 have "computers".

Re: A recent software update was not successful. Your vehicle cannot be driven

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post #19

I know there's no market for people like me, but I would never buy an internet connected car. It just seems so fucking insane to me that people are willing to accept relying on something that can be bricked remotely. Same goes for any sort of involuntary OTA updates to anything, and software as a service in general. The thing that matters to me is that my tools still work tomorrow when I need them to, and if they bre…

You'll change your mind the first time you turn on the heat from across the parking lot while sipping coffee in the ski lodge, or need to check the charge status while eating lunch, or point stuff out on the satellite imagery on the live map. I know it's easy to imagine that the product you think is "a car" is finished, but product categories evolve. People want their devices to do different things today than they di…

All this is possible without integrating the software into the vehicle itself, making it brickable.

Reliability and repairability going down is not "evolution" in any sense.

And the market hasn't really said anything when those things have been pushed into consumers without much choice. Saying "the market has spoken" in this case is like saying the market has spoken when someone claims that slapping a fruit logo is enough to sell computers. Turns out the choice of which car to buy is non-binary, it's not "internet connected" vs "non internet connected".

Re: A recent software update was not successful. Your vehicle cannot be driven

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I know there's no market for people like me, but I would never buy an internet connected car. It just seems so fucking insane to me that people are willing to accept relying on something that can be bricked remotely. Same goes for any sort of involuntary OTA updates to anything, and software as a service in general. The thing that matters to me is that my tools still work tomorrow when I need them to, and if they bre…

You'll enjoy this, should start right where he talks about his experience buying a car:

https://youtu.be/hlrv7DIHllE?t=1203

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