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Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by martin8412 »

adriancr wrote: post #2

How does this work in germany? In a neighboring country I take my car to the service to do a quick maintenance + the official yearly thing. This means break pads and any issues are fixed before and car would never fail an official check. Is that not a thing for tesla?, is the driver supposed to know when to replace everything?, are sensors that good?

It doesn't work. Tesla Model 3 is the car model that fails most often for it's age. Model Y has not been on the German roads in high amounts for enough years yet, but I fully expect it to overtake Model 3.

Model 3 fails because of rusted brakes and failing suspension for example.

https://www.carscoops.com/2023/12/tesla-model-3-ranked-last-...

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by hef19898 »

lnsru wrote: post #18
hef19898 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming this, no scheduled services, is Tesla policy, it is very well possible that Tesla doesn't have task lists in place for said checks. Which would be bad...

Tesla has some recommendations in user manual. I almost bought model y. So I saw, that there is recommendation to check brakes after winter and salty roads or something alike. I also guess, that any other repair shop could do generic check as well. Teslas have brakes, suspensions, brake fluids and many other “normal” parts.

Sure, Tesla has some things in the user manual. A workshop so needs specific task lists in the workshop manual, otherwise the inspection varies by day and person doing it. Because without said workshop manuals, mechanics are left out in the cold with regards to what has to be done. Propably includes a liability risk, you follow approved check lists from the OEM and you are propably save if something happens. You don't, miss something, an accident happens and the liability question is a lot less clear.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by m463 »

sergiosgc wrote: post #20
m463 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All this should be recommended in the UI. The car DOES have maintenance needs. Lots of people in models X & S are surprised to find their seemingly ok tires are NOT OK because they wear very quickly on the non-visible inside edge. there are brakes on the car, which have pads and fluid. There is coolant for the battery. Honestly, there should be a maintenance screen in the UI. You should be able to replace tires, or w…

It should be possible to equip the car with enough sensors to detect or predict maintenance needs. Tesla's approach is, however, still incomplete. The powertrain is sensored enough, suspension/brakes/tires aren't.

Just a few data points. :)

My direct experience with power train sensors has been a loud noise and lots of red triangle messages that something has failed (drive motor).

Another time my direct experience with inside edge wear has been... a pop and a hiss. Then the tire pressure readout gave a red triangle to say the tire had low pressure and the number was dropping to zero. (google "tesla inside edge tire wear")

My direct experience with many flat tires has been -- tesla roadside assistance will waste the rest of your day or night. I've considered buying that aftermarket spare.

And the battery fuse went once - I got a huge red message:

"BMS_u031 Battery Fuse Requires Replacement Soon - OK to drive, schedule service"?

Turns out telsa doesn't actually KNOW if the fuse needs to be replaced - you have to bring it in (google BMS_U031) It is several hundred dollars to replace.

If your car has a 12v battery, it will eventually die. The battery is fairly expensive.

actually, most maintenance stuff is hidden away. Wish I could unhide it, even if tesla only did it when out of warranty.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by cyberax »

m463 wrote: post #11
naz wrote: post #6

As a Model Y owner, the lack of a service interval is really annoying. I want to pay Tesla to make sure my car stays safe and reliable, but I can't.

All this should be recommended in the UI. The car DOES have maintenance needs. Lots of people in models X & S are surprised to find their seemingly ok tires are NOT OK because they wear very quickly on the non-visible inside edge. there are brakes on the car, which have pads and fluid. There is coolant for the battery. Honestly, there should be a maintenance screen in the UI. You should be able to replace tires, or w…

Brakes are probably going to last for at least 100k miles easily. Mine are still fine after 150k miles.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by AdrianB1 »

m463 wrote: post #11
naz wrote: post #6

As a Model Y owner, the lack of a service interval is really annoying. I want to pay Tesla to make sure my car stays safe and reliable, but I can't.

All this should be recommended in the UI. The car DOES have maintenance needs. Lots of people in models X & S are surprised to find their seemingly ok tires are NOT OK because they wear very quickly on the non-visible inside edge. there are brakes on the car, which have pads and fluid. There is coolant for the battery. Honestly, there should be a maintenance screen in the UI. You should be able to replace tires, or w…

The regular inspection for ICE vehicles is centered around oil changes, air filter change (engine, not cabin), valve checks and distribution chain/belt changes. Everything else, from brake pads (wear sensors entered the chat), tires (life varies a lot, from 10k km to over 40k km for cars), windshield wipers (no determined lifetime, change it when it breaks) to brake fluid (recommended to change every 3 years) are done opportunistically with some oil changes.

Without an ICE, the only regular maintenance you need is brake fluid. Everything else depends loosely on kilometers and style of driving and quality of materials (wipers).

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by t0mas88 »

naz wrote: post #6

As a Model Y owner, the lack of a service interval is really annoying. I want to pay Tesla to make sure my car stays safe and reliable, but I can't.

Doesn't it show you when to do some maintenance based on sensors? BMW has a display that has miles on it, but those miles are only rough estimates. It may say 50k miles after replacing brake pads, but 40k miles later that could have changed to zero or it could only reach zero after 60k miles. The indication for service is based on a sensor at the brake pad, not a service interval in miles.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by ben_w »

AdrianB1 wrote: post #25
m463 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All this should be recommended in the UI. The car DOES have maintenance needs. Lots of people in models X & S are surprised to find their seemingly ok tires are NOT OK because they wear very quickly on the non-visible inside edge. there are brakes on the car, which have pads and fluid. There is coolant for the battery. Honestly, there should be a maintenance screen in the UI. You should be able to replace tires, or w…

The regular inspection for ICE vehicles is centered around oil changes, air filter change (engine, not cabin), valve checks and distribution chain/belt changes. Everything else, from brake pads (wear sensors entered the chat), tires (life varies a lot, from 10k km to over 40k km for cars), windshield wipers (no determined lifetime, change it when it breaks) to brake fluid (recommended to change every 3 years) are don…

How much does this vary by jurisdiction? I remember the UK has the "MOT test" which I think does rather more than that, but that's just the UK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOT_test

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by ssijak »

m463 wrote: post #11
naz wrote: post #6

As a Model Y owner, the lack of a service interval is really annoying. I want to pay Tesla to make sure my car stays safe and reliable, but I can't.

All this should be recommended in the UI. The car DOES have maintenance needs. Lots of people in models X & S are surprised to find their seemingly ok tires are NOT OK because they wear very quickly on the non-visible inside edge. there are brakes on the car, which have pads and fluid. There is coolant for the battery. Honestly, there should be a maintenance screen in the UI. You should be able to replace tires, or w…

Wait, Tesla does not have that?

If not, that is really, really dumb, and there is no way to justify not doing that. Especially for car that probably has more sensors, electronics and software than most cars (that also provide such info).

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by cyberax »

Tesla cars are interesting. The drivetrain and the battery are very reliable and will likely be never need service.

But everything else is shitty. The construction quality, random breakages, neverending rattles are annoying. My Tesla spent more time in service than my partner's Toyota, and this includes regular oil changes.

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