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It sounds like they work in a genuinely toxic environment, and utterly exhausting. I get that the Chinese have few options, but why would you voluntarily subject yourself to this level of physical and emotional abuse?
Bleak write-up. Question: does it work? In a counterfactual where some of these corporate cultural things were alleviated, what would the impact be in the ability for the enterprise to meet it's goals? Points 1. and 2., I could guess they'd have a positive effect size if measuring a company's success is like it's probability of being able to continue to do business in the near future, but 5.??
Study after study has shown that it's basically impossible to squeeze out more than about 30 hours of actual productivity from the general population per week, especially when this is sustained for long periods of time. Western countries are starting experiments with 4-day work weeks precisely because it's more productive, not less.
I've worked with people doing these types of hours (Indian subcontractors) and they were 100% useless 100% of the time because they were too exhausted to do anything other than rote work. Even that rote work was riddled with errors because they were too tired to think about what they're doing or do any quality assurance. They were successful only at the most trivial tasks, tasks so simple that a script would have sufficed. I needed humans, they were meat robots.
In some countries, that's precisely how managers view their employees: As annoying robots that complain too much, or slaves that they need to also pay (as little as possible).
It's only in a few (not all!) western countries that businesses treat intellectual labour such as IT work as creative "value generation" instead of manual labour to be extracted.
Why subject oneself to this though? Every point is negative, borderline Stockholm syndrome-ish and discussing how to “survive”. presumably OP has a reason for enduring said suffering but it’s not really obvious from the post
Choice in job market is a luxury, not sure if it's only a China thing. But most fresh grads will end up with whichever company who'd hire them in whatever role they offered. The OP also mentioned the low retention rate, behind that, it means that for young people, they may start in a low pay job, but there will be tremendous amount of chances for new opportunities elsewhere after a few years of work experience. There…
Which is not judgement per se - gutsy move opting to work in a different context. Just slightly confused
It sounds like they work in a genuinely toxic environment, and utterly exhausting. I get that the Chinese have few options, but why would you voluntarily subject yourself to this level of physical and emotional abuse?
I suspect that's what having few options means
i remember one of my juniors who came in without any practical experience speaking english (he could read and write and passively understand me) who three months later was having a good natured argument with me about some technical question, which is a behavior practically unheard of in china. you just don't argue with your boss.
It sounds like they work in a genuinely toxic environment, and utterly exhausting. I get that the Chinese have few options, but why would you voluntarily subject yourself to this level of physical and emotional abuse?
I suspect that's what having few options means
As a parent, the described schedules seem impractical. It would be possible to hold the 8-10pm schedule in my early twenties, and truth be told I did for bursts of time. But this doesn't sound tractable at a mass scale, when do kids get taken care of?
Why subject oneself to this though? Every point is negative, borderline Stockholm syndrome-ish and discussing how to “survive”. presumably OP has a reason for enduring said suffering but it’s not really obvious from the post
Choice in job market is a luxury, not sure if it's only a China thing. But most fresh grads will end up with whichever company who'd hire them in whatever role they offered. The OP also mentioned the low retention rate, behind that, it means that for young people, they may start in a low pay job, but there will be tremendous amount of chances for new opportunities elsewhere after a few years of work experience. There…