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Tell HN: iCloud Password Sync turns on by itself on iOS 17

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Re: Tell HN: iCloud Password Sync turns on by itself on iOS 17

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Post by robcohen »

grok25 wrote: post #16
turbidimeter wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't feel like a bug to me. After disabling iCloud Passwords I see a big nag in the Passwords menu asking me to enable it again; I don't remember that there on iOS 16. And when it was enabled there was a nag for Passkeys or password family sharing or something like that. I guess they want people to use that now. Also I don't understand how you could screw these things up repeatedly for so many features. iMessage i…

> Also I don't understand how you could screw these things up repeatedly for so many features. Seems like a generic bug in the settings system which is fairly complex. Pretty easy to see how something like that could happen.

I agree. It’s easy to see how a user hostile setting would go unchecked by a large corporate company that doesn’t benefit from protecting the privacy of its users.

Re: Tell HN: iCloud Password Sync turns on by itself on iOS 17

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Post by grok25 »

robcohen wrote: post #21
grok25 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Also I don't understand how you could screw these things up repeatedly for so many features. Seems like a generic bug in the settings system which is fairly complex. Pretty easy to see how something like that could happen.

I agree. It’s easy to see how a user hostile setting would go unchecked by a large corporate company that doesn’t benefit from protecting the privacy of its users.

That’s a weird conspiracy theory. How does anyone figure Apple benefits from this. How is the setting even ‘user hostile’?

Re: Tell HN: iCloud Password Sync turns on by itself on iOS 17

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Post by alphabettsy »

mildmotive wrote: post #20
alphabettsy wrote: post #6

Software has bugs unfortunately.

This is a bad response to Apple stealing personal information from millions of people. OP is not alone when it comes to iCloud partially or completely enabling itself upon updates. The problem is that malware is perfectly legal as long as you have some EULA somewhere to cover it.

The hyperbole seems unnecessary and imo is unproductive.

Re: Tell HN: iCloud Password Sync turns on by itself on iOS 17

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Post by grok25 »

hedora wrote: post #13
grok25 wrote: post #11

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What computer resources are being used without authorization?

They gave Apple authorization to access their phone (the phone is not Apple property) in order to copy certain things into the cloud. They uploaded new software and downloaded data they were not authorized to download without getting permission first. I'm sure there is some cover your ass clause in the EULA that tries to protect them when they (accidentally or on purpose) violate the CFAA, but, in this case, they pre…

The data wasn’t transmitted, communicated or delivered to Apple. It’s E2E encrypted, so Apple can’t receive it.

The service isn’t capable of delivering the keychain to anything other than the user’s own devices.

Re: Tell HN: iCloud Password Sync turns on by itself on iOS 17

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Post by dackerlunghack »

alphabettsy wrote: post #24
mildmotive wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a bad response to Apple stealing personal information from millions of people. OP is not alone when it comes to iCloud partially or completely enabling itself upon updates. The problem is that malware is perfectly legal as long as you have some EULA somewhere to cover it.

The hyperbole seems unnecessary and imo is unproductive.

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Re: Tell HN: iCloud Password Sync turns on by itself on iOS 17

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Post by rkagerer »

grok25 wrote: post #22
robcohen wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. It’s easy to see how a user hostile setting would go unchecked by a large corporate company that doesn’t benefit from protecting the privacy of its users.

That’s a weird conspiracy theory. How does anyone figure Apple benefits from this. How is the setting even ‘user hostile’?

I consider sending anything up to the cloud without user's consent is pretty hostile. Passwords especially. I don't care if they claim it's E2EE; programmers and implementations are fallible and I thought a key part of Apple's whole value proposition is it's supposed to retain control in the user's hands.

Re: Tell HN: iCloud Password Sync turns on by itself on iOS 17

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Post by pndy »

For me it's the Medical ID data that turns itself on in iCloud storage devices backup details. I've noticed this last night, turned it off and it's morning here (Europe) and that switcher is set to on again. I have Health app uninstalled and set to off in Apps using iCloud page.

Re: Tell HN: iCloud Password Sync turns on by itself on iOS 17

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Post by ratg13 »

grok25 wrote: post #25
hedora wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They gave Apple authorization to access their phone (the phone is not Apple property) in order to copy certain things into the cloud. They uploaded new software and downloaded data they were not authorized to download without getting permission first. I'm sure there is some cover your ass clause in the EULA that tries to protect them when they (accidentally or on purpose) violate the CFAA, but, in this case, they pre…

The data wasn’t transmitted, communicated or delivered to Apple. It’s E2E encrypted, so Apple can’t receive it. The service isn’t capable of delivering the keychain to anything other than the user’s own devices.

Who do you think the other end is?

It’s Apple. They are the other end where the traffic is decrypted.

And yes they can see your stuff. We know this because law enforcement gets access to it all the time.

The keychain is just another keystore.

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