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Tim Sweeney on why Epic did better against Google than Apple in court

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Re: Tim Sweeney on why Epic did better against Google than Apple in court

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Post by scarface_74 »

xattt wrote: post #10
echelon wrote: post #6

> And I think Apple should be receiving at least as harsh antitrust scrutiny as Google. They both deserve antitrust attention, but Apple is the far worse offender. The cellphone is more essential than the car, and here are these two companies basically owning and taxing the roads, fuel, destinations, activities, and in-car entertainment. And you can't upgrade or change anything.

It sounds like you're advocating to nationalize app stores, much like other public utilities should have or should continue to stay in public hands.

Yes because what could possibly go wrong with the government controlling content

Re: Tim Sweeney on why Epic did better against Google than Apple in court

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Post by silenced_trope »

shadowgovt wrote: post #12
magic_man wrote: post #4

Apple basically didn't write anything down. Tim Sweeney: The thing with Apple is all of their antitrust trickery is internal to the company. They use their store, their payments, they force developers to all have the same terms, they force OEMs and carriers to all have the same terms. I think the Apple case would be no less interesting if we could see all of their internal thoughts and deliberations, but Apple was no…

Google and Microsoft generally are the backstop against an Apple monopoly. Don't like Apple making so many decisions for you as a user? Windows and Android are right there.

It's hard though - I've been an Android dev for 8 years but have always had an iPhone.

I've never considered switching to Android.

And despite the fact that I want a wide variety of options, I prefer MacBooks, I prefer many Apple services, including software.

Re: Tim Sweeney on why Epic did better against Google than Apple in court

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Post by freeAgent »

shadowgovt wrote: post #12
magic_man wrote: post #4

Apple basically didn't write anything down. Tim Sweeney: The thing with Apple is all of their antitrust trickery is internal to the company. They use their store, their payments, they force developers to all have the same terms, they force OEMs and carriers to all have the same terms. I think the Apple case would be no less interesting if we could see all of their internal thoughts and deliberations, but Apple was no…

Google and Microsoft generally are the backstop against an Apple monopoly. Don't like Apple making so many decisions for you as a user? Windows and Android are right there.

Google and Microsoft have gone too far in the direction of shoving ads into all my interactions with their products that I now have no interest in using, much less paying for, most of them. The only Google services I still use are Nest and YouTube (both of which I pay for). I use MS for some of my email, but I’m migrating away. Unless Google and Microsoft see the light and accommodate users who hate ads, it’s going to be mostly Apple and Linux for me.

Re: Tim Sweeney on why Epic did better against Google than Apple in court

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Post by smoldesu »

scarface_74 wrote: post #21
xattt wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like you're advocating to nationalize app stores, much like other public utilities should have or should continue to stay in public hands.

Yes because what could possibly go wrong with the government controlling content

Nothing worse than the status-quo, presumably: https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/1/22361762/iphone-russia-sta...

Given that US/FIVE-EYES surveillance is a prerequisite for all American smartphones, I'd at least appreciate them using their state power to benefit the customer for once. The US' negligence in prosecuting any of the transparently corrupt FAANG companies makes it obvious how they don't want to butcher any of their own cash cows. Trusting corporations to dissent this late in the game is a futile and sad way to watch your hope for humanity deteriorate.

Re: Tim Sweeney on why Epic did better against Google than Apple in court

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Post by GeekyBear »

The thing that landed Google in hot water was that they licensed Android to multiple vendors and then used anticompetitive shenanigans to control the marketplace.

Look at XBox and Windows at Microsoft.

XBox is a walled garden and you can't create a game for it without Microsoft's permission and giving Microsoft a cut. There have been zero legal repercussions for this.

Windows is licensed to multiple vendors and Microsoft has faced antitrust actions many times in many jurisdictions for their anticompetitive actions related to Windows over the years.

Re: Tim Sweeney on why Epic did better against Google than Apple in court

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

echelon wrote: post #6

> And I think Apple should be receiving at least as harsh antitrust scrutiny as Google. They both deserve antitrust attention, but Apple is the far worse offender. The cellphone is more essential than the car, and here are these two companies basically owning and taxing the roads, fuel, destinations, activities, and in-car entertainment. And you can't upgrade or change anything.

The problem with Apple is that while they don’t have a monopoly on cellphones, they seem to have a monopoly on good cellphone experiences. Your choice is a couple of platforms that are closed but works decently well, and other more open platforms that are much more chaotic and poorer user experiences. Linux phones or android phones not running Google’s stack being examples of the latter.

Re: Tim Sweeney on why Epic did better against Google than Apple in court

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Post by omeid2 »

scarface_74 wrote: post #16
echelon wrote: post #6

> And I think Apple should be receiving at least as harsh antitrust scrutiny as Google. They both deserve antitrust attention, but Apple is the far worse offender. The cellphone is more essential than the car, and here are these two companies basically owning and taxing the roads, fuel, destinations, activities, and in-car entertainment. And you can't upgrade or change anything.

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It is more like complaining that Tesla wouldn't let you purchase electricity from a 3rd party that isn't sanctioned by Tesla.

Re: Tim Sweeney on why Epic did better against Google than Apple in court

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Post by scarface_74 »

smoldesu wrote: post #25
scarface_74 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes because what could possibly go wrong with the government controlling content

Nothing worse than the status-quo, presumably: https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/1/22361762/iphone-russia-sta... Given that US/FIVE-EYES surveillance is a prerequisite for all American smartphones, I'd at least appreciate them using their state power to benefit the customer for once. The US' negligence in prosecuting any of the transparently corrupt FAANG companies makes it obvious how they don't want to butcher any of…

So you really think the state controlling content is not going to be more restrictive than private corporations?

And why are you quoting an article about Russia?

Re: Tim Sweeney on why Epic did better against Google than Apple in court

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Post by StressedDev »

Pxtl wrote: post #9

Lesson learned: just lock down your platform like Apple. Corrupted freedom is apparently worse than totalitarian control.

I think a better lesson would be to comply with the law, do not destroy evidence, and to do what you say you are doing. Google sold Android as being open. Once Android succeeded, Google started closing it and making anti-competitive deals. Many of these deals were illegal because Google had a monopoly and abused its monopoly. Please explain why Google's conduct should not be punished? Why should Google be allowed to violate the United State's anti-trust laws?
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