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Re: End of Life of Technologies and Devices

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Post by 0x000042 »

KronisLV wrote: post #20
hosteur wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for making this. I really like it. Do you have plans to monetize it? I hope not. Because this is a thing that should exist in the world. I would much rather support this via donations than ads or anything else.

> Do you have plans to monetize it? I hope not. OpenCollective says that the total donations are $1,107.75 USD with 6 contributors. I threw another 20 bucks at them after reading that, but it seems like at least ads or something would make sense purely from a financial perspective, since even with 8M impressions, not that many are interested in donating sadly. I do really enjoy the site, it has lots of technologies l…

> OpenCollective says that the total donations are $1,107.75 USD with 6 contributors. I threw another 20 bucks at them after reading that, but it seems like at least ads or something would make sense purely from a financial perspective, since even with 8M impressions, not that many are interested in donating sadly.

What are the operational costs of running such a site?

Re: End of Life of Technologies and Devices

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Post by blackoil »

userbinator wrote: post #6

Should be called The Planned Obsolescence Shaming Site.

Most of stuff there still works just not supported. You are free to run Java 2 or Windows 95, just you won't get any free support for it forever. Check with MS for right money they may even support it.

Re: End of Life of Technologies and Devices

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Post by nonrandomstring »

userbinator wrote: post #6

Should be called The Planned Obsolescence Shaming Site.

In the 80s Ian Sommerville wrote about the "long tail" of maintenance accounting for >75% of the lifecycle costs of a program. I remember being surprised at this, but my SE prof saying "all successful projects tend toward 100% maintenance."

If developers want to put a time limit on how long they're willing to maintain a project that's all fine and useful. Coders have lives to get back to and new interests to look forward to.

But the very idea of software having a pre-defined lifespan is not sensible. Do we put expiry dates on mathematical theorems?

Indeed it's a good argument for why all software should be FOSS, because it's ultimately the users of a program, not the developers that decide whether code has continuing utility.

As soon as money comes into development people start noticing the long tail is a precipice of diminishing returns, We act like landlords who can't be bothered to decorate crumbling buildings we rent out. Easier to knock it down and build anew, regardless the disruption for the tenants.

When software is built and maintained by the community that use it, they're more like homeowners, for whom maintenance is adding value to an asset.

Re: End of Life of Technologies and Devices

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Post by captn3m0 »

moffkalast wrote: post #17
captn3m0 wrote: post #2

Creator here, happy to answer any questions about what it takes to build a collaborative Wiki for tracking support life cycles. You can support our work on GitHub Sponsors or https://opencollective.com/endoflife-date We recently crossed 8M impressions via Google Search this month: https://github.com/endoflife-date/endoflife.date/discussions...

I take it Samsung doesn't typically announce their products' support times, given that most of them just have a "Yes" instead of a date?

Yes. we sometimes track such times using web archive, but it's not perfect and its easier to just use yes/no (See https://github.com/endoflife-date/endoflife.date/pull/4235 for eg).

Re: End of Life of Technologies and Devices

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Post by captn3m0 »

0x000042 wrote: post #21
KronisLV wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do you have plans to monetize it? I hope not. OpenCollective says that the total donations are $1,107.75 USD with 6 contributors. I threw another 20 bucks at them after reading that, but it seems like at least ads or something would make sense purely from a financial perspective, since even with 8M impressions, not that many are interested in donating sadly. I do really enjoy the site, it has lots of technologies l…

> OpenCollective says that the total donations are $1,107.75 USD with 6 contributors. I threw another 20 bucks at them after reading that, but it seems like at least ads or something would make sense purely from a financial perspective, since even with 8M impressions, not that many are interested in donating sadly. What are the operational costs of running such a site?

Currently none, but that's mostly because we've worked hard to keep it that way. I publish finance updates on a GitHub Discussion (https://github.com/endoflife-date/endoflife.date/discussions...). We used to pay $9/mo for Netlify Analytics but didn't find it helpful.

We're looking to join OpenEoX.org to standardize EoL information publication, but that requires a lot more funds (https://github.com/endoflife-date/endoflife.date/discussions...).

We also have a pretty long roadmap (https://github.com/endoflife-date/endoflife.date/issues/2108) that focuses on integrating better with the sbom ecosystem (We want to make an API that does SBOM->EOL alerts for eg). Such projects require a lot of development effort, and we'd like to be able to sponsor it on our own (via grants/donations).

Re: End of Life of Technologies and Devices

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Post by midasuni »

0x000042 wrote: post #21
KronisLV wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do you have plans to monetize it? I hope not. OpenCollective says that the total donations are $1,107.75 USD with 6 contributors. I threw another 20 bucks at them after reading that, but it seems like at least ads or something would make sense purely from a financial perspective, since even with 8M impressions, not that many are interested in donating sadly. I do really enjoy the site, it has lots of technologies l…

> OpenCollective says that the total donations are $1,107.75 USD with 6 contributors. I threw another 20 bucks at them after reading that, but it seems like at least ads or something would make sense purely from a financial perspective, since even with 8M impressions, not that many are interested in donating sadly. What are the operational costs of running such a site?

Setting aside a HN spike, $100 a year should be fine for hosting. Or use someone else’s hosting platform like GitHub, cloudflare etc for the cost of a domain name.

Re: End of Life of Technologies and Devices

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Post by captn3m0 »

jl6 wrote: post #8
captn3m0 wrote: post #2

Creator here, happy to answer any questions about what it takes to build a collaborative Wiki for tracking support life cycles. You can support our work on GitHub Sponsors or https://opencollective.com/endoflife-date We recently crossed 8M impressions via Google Search this month: https://github.com/endoflife-date/endoflife.date/discussions...

Can you create a Hall of Fame/Shame view which lists the top/bottom n products by longest support period? It would be nice if these projects competed to get on the leaderboard.

I'm not sure if that's a good idea. Maintaining long-term-support, especially for open-source projects with volunteers is a unacknowledged (and often unpaid) work.

It might make sense for certain categories (Mobiles, tablets) but it is so hard to get good data for those.

Re: End of Life of Technologies and Devices

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Post by captn3m0 »

samzscott wrote: post #10
captn3m0 wrote: post #2

Creator here, happy to answer any questions about what it takes to build a collaborative Wiki for tracking support life cycles. You can support our work on GitHub Sponsors or https://opencollective.com/endoflife-date We recently crossed 8M impressions via Google Search this month: https://github.com/endoflife-date/endoflife.date/discussions...

Have you considered offering a subscription-based service? (e.g. for timely notifications / compliance reporting / etc.)

1. We already have a calendar feed that you can subscribe to, for every product that will warn you accordingly.

2. We have an API (endoflife.date/api) and a upcoming v1 API (https://github.com/endoflife-date/endoflife.date/pull/2080) to let everyone use our data.

3. there's already a ton of companies/products that use the api/dataset (https://github.com/endoflife-date/endoflife.date/wiki/Known-...)

We plan to launch some services (https://github.com/endoflife-date/endoflife.date/issues/2108), but it will still be free.

We treat it as a community-built-semantic-wiki. Feedback is welcome.

Re: End of Life of Technologies and Devices

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Post by qiine »

nonrandomstring wrote: post #23
userbinator wrote: post #6

Should be called The Planned Obsolescence Shaming Site.

In the 80s Ian Sommerville wrote about the "long tail" of maintenance accounting for >75% of the lifecycle costs of a program. I remember being surprised at this, but my SE prof saying "all successful projects tend toward 100% maintenance." If developers want to put a time limit on how long they're willing to maintain a project that's all fine and useful. Coders have lives to get back to and new interests to look for…

great metaphor

Re: End of Life of Technologies and Devices

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Post by vkaku »

captn3m0 wrote: post #2

Creator here, happy to answer any questions about what it takes to build a collaborative Wiki for tracking support life cycles. You can support our work on GitHub Sponsors or https://opencollective.com/endoflife-date We recently crossed 8M impressions via Google Search this month: https://github.com/endoflife-date/endoflife.date/discussions...

Thank you for making it.

- Would like a time line view: as of the next few months, what are expiring.

- Would like to see a stability score for a Product / Stack, you define the metrics for what is considered stable vs obsolete. How it compares with other similar categories.

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