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Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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The video itself and the video description give a disclaimer to this effect. Agreed that some will walk away with an incorrect view of how Gemini functions, though. Hopefully realtime interaction will be part of an app soon. Doesn’t seem like there would be too many technical hurdles there.

If there weren't serious technical hurdles they wouldn't have faked it.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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post #16

I'll admit I was fooled. I didn't read the description of the video. The most impressive thing they showed was the real-time responses to watching a video. Everything else was about expected. Very misleading and sad Google would so obviously fake a demo like this. Mentioning in the description that it's edited is not really in the realm of doing enough to make clear the fakery.

i too was excited and duped about the real-time implications. though i'm not surprised at all to find out it's false.

mea cupla i should have looked at the bottom of the description box on youtube where it probably says "this demonstration is based on an actual interaction with an LLM"

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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post #20
post #5

How is this not false advertising?

I suppose it's not false advertising, since they don't even claim to have a product released yet that can do this, since Trojans Ultra won't be available until an unspecified time next year

You're right, it's astroturfing a placeholder in the market in the absence of product. The difference is probably just the target audience - feels like this one is more aimed at share-holders and internal politics.

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>without wading through LLM generated text ...OpenAI solved this by generating LLM text for you to wade through?

No. It solved it by (most of the time) giving the OP and I the answer to our queries, without us needing to wade through spammy SERP links.

If LLMs can replace 90% of your queries, then you have very different search patterns from me. When I search on Kagi, much of the time I’m looking for the website of a business, a public figure’s social media page, a restaurant’s hours of operation, a software library’s official documentation, etc.

LLMs have been very useful, but regular search is still a big part of everyday life for me.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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link to duck video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIZAiXYceBI

Thanks. This is the first I'm hearing of a duck demo, and couldn't figure out what it was.

Timestamp for the duck demo: https://youtu.be/UIZAiXYceBI?si=pNT74PXjyDataF1T&t=246

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Good, that video was mostly annoying and creepy. The AI responses as shown in the linked Google dev blogpost are a lot more reasonable and helpful. BTW I agree that the way the original video was made seems quite misleading in retrospect. But that's also par for the course for AI "demos", it's an enduring tradition in that field and part of its history. You really have to look at production systems and ignore "demos"…

What the Quack? I found it tasty as pâté.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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I suppose this is a great example of how trust in authentic videos, audio, images, company marketing must be questioned and, until verified, assumed to be 'generated'.

I am curious, if the voice, email, chat, and shortly video can all be entirely generated in real or near real time, how can we be sure that remote employee is actually not a full or partially generated entity?

Shared secrets are great when verifying but when the bodies are fully remote - what is the solution?

I am traveling at the moment. How can my family validate that it is ME claiming lost luggage and requesting a Venmo request?

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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It’s not live, but it’s in the realm of outputs I would expect from a GPT trained on video embeddings. Implying they’ve solved single token latency, however, is very distasteful.

OP says that Gemini had still images as input, not video - and the dev blog post shows it was instructed to reply to each input in relevant terms. Needless to say, that's quite different from what's implied in the demo, and at least theoretically is already within GPT's abilities.
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