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Child abduction case: Tom and Jerry cartoons helped police identify suspects

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Re: Child abduction case: Tom and Jerry cartoons helped police identify suspects

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Is this actually implemented? Do all browsers in india use weakened TLS or something?

Likely a governmental man-in-the-middle attack.

That's non-trivial to pull off without massive noise being generated by users. Even if you're able to somehow able to backdoor all domestic computers to install the government's root certificate, there's going to be a steady stream of complaints from foreigners coming in with their non-backdoored devices.

Re: Child abduction case: Tom and Jerry cartoons helped police identify suspects

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Is this actually implemented? Do all browsers in india use weakened TLS or something?

Likely a governmental man-in-the-middle attack.

That means that either the government has a browser trusted root CA (which means they could spy on anyone in the world if they can MITM them), or they somehow force everyone in the country to install their trusted CAs.

Re: Child abduction case: Tom and Jerry cartoons helped police identify suspects

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This reminds me of the TOR service that tells you how unique your presence is on the network, based on a whole lot of things the browser reports.

Sometimes it'll be a single font that gives a person away, even when so many other bits of information are essentially the same.

It works pretty much exactly like how Akinator The Mind Reading Genie works. You narrow down by various yes and no answers, and get to the right answer, or a very close subset, surprisingly quickly.

Re: Child abduction case: Tom and Jerry cartoons helped police identify suspects

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What surprised me the most was 26,000 people watched Tom and Jerry between 7:30pm and 6:30am on some website. That’s a lot more than I would have expected.

Tom and Jerry is very popular in India. Parents like it because there's no (less) subversive NSFW content (e.g. Bikini Bottom in Spongebob). Don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger.

It's sad that you feel like you have to preemptively defend yourself against criticism for implying children shouldn't be exposed to subversive or NSFW content.

Re: Child abduction case: Tom and Jerry cartoons helped police identify suspects

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What surprised me the most was 26,000 people watched Tom and Jerry between 7:30pm and 6:30am on some website. That’s a lot more than I would have expected.

Tom and jerry is popular as it kept the kids engaged and since there's only action involved, anyone could watch it regardless of age, i remember seeing old people watching tom and jerry with joy, that's why the numbers are high.

Re: Child abduction case: Tom and Jerry cartoons helped police identify suspects

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I am trying to understand how it is possible to filter all IP activity for such a (broad) search term. As opposed to say superbowl livestream. They only looked at requests sent to YouTube? Doesn't YouTube use https by default? Did they do a simple YouTube search for 'Tom and Jerry' note down the full URLs for first two pages of search results... and look for those in the ISP logs? DNS lookups only show "www.youtube.c…

From the article:

> A police officer said that they searched for Tom and Jerry cartoons on YouTube and showed three or four of them to the child, who identified one particular cartoon. The URL of this cartoon was sent to the Cyber Cell.

Re: Child abduction case: Tom and Jerry cartoons helped police identify suspects

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What surprised me the most was 26,000 people watched Tom and Jerry between 7:30pm and 6:30am on some website. That’s a lot more than I would have expected.

Youtube cartoons are the staple video content to slap onto a mobile or a tv to get toddlers to eat. Here in India, its scary how much parent neglect to engage with children and just put a cartoon and stuff foid into their mouth, while they themselves are busy on a call or fiddling with their phones. Almost every toddler I have seen has an old broken phone as their own video player.

You got to do what you got to do otherwise you risk the kid going hungry or having a meltdown or both.

Being so black and white about sticking a video in front of a kid to make sure it sits in one place and eats is dismissive of parents who have to make these decisions in real time.

Do we know those kids don’t get play time with friends? Or down time to get bored and hence be forced to invent games in their own heads? We only see and opine on “bad” behaviour, not the what happens behind closed doors the remaining 23 hrs of the day when the kid is out of our line of sight.

Re: Child abduction case: Tom and Jerry cartoons helped police identify suspects

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India's encryption laws require service providers to allow law enforcement to intercept, monitor and trace encrypted traffic. Encryption within India is limited by law to weak forms. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/07/indias-draconian-rules...

Is this actually implemented? Do all browsers in india use weakened TLS or something?

I don't know if it is actually implemented, but note it could be either of the two endpoints that could cooperate to allow decryption - client (browser) or server.

It is possible that Google is not allowed to operate in India unless they transmit all the keys to the government somehow. If they are forced to share the private key used for Youtube's certificates, that would allow effective MITM, or entirely passive surveillance if a non-ephemeral key suite is used. Google could also be required to send them every ephemeral key.

Re: Child abduction case: Tom and Jerry cartoons helped police identify suspects

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Youtube cartoons are the staple video content to slap onto a mobile or a tv to get toddlers to eat. Here in India, its scary how much parent neglect to engage with children and just put a cartoon and stuff foid into their mouth, while they themselves are busy on a call or fiddling with their phones. Almost every toddler I have seen has an old broken phone as their own video player.

You got to do what you got to do otherwise you risk the kid going hungry or having a meltdown or both. Being so black and white about sticking a video in front of a kid to make sure it sits in one place and eats is dismissive of parents who have to make these decisions in real time. Do we know those kids don’t get play time with friends? Or down time to get bored and hence be forced to invent games in their own heads…

Kids ate food before smartphones existed. They miss one meal, throw one meltdown, and quickly learn that it's better to eat than go hungry.
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