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Housing costs are so high that divorced couples are still living together

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Re: Housing costs are so high that divorced couples are still living together

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Suppressed household formation is the reason why increasing supply often doesn't look like it's working. There are tens of millions of people who want to move out of their current situation into a smaller household.

~16% of 25-35 year olds life at home with parents. I imagine a much smaller percent prefer that if not for financial reasons.

True. I feel it could slowly become cultural norm as independent household becomes out of reach for more and more people.

Re: Housing costs are so high that divorced couples are still living together

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I know of 50 year olds living with roommates in SF Bay area.

Counterpoint: living alone isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. A good roommate is as hard to find as a romantic partner, but living with people you like is one of the greatest joys of life.

Sure, but living with people you don't like is absolute torture.

Re: Housing costs are so high that divorced couples are still living together

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I think we are also seeing lower divorce rates and suspect a rebound once the economy picks up and as this generation of children ages.

Yeah, this is terrible. A robust divorce rate is must for healthy growing economy.

The assumption is that there is a "idealized" rate of divorce that would exist if all impediments were removed. The actual divorce rate being close to this is a signal of high economic mobility across the economy and vice versa.

I like it tbh, it's a good big mac index.

I would bet there's also an idealized rate of people finding their endgame that is much lower than the marriage rate and getting closer to that trends with high social mobility.

Re: Housing costs are so high that divorced couples are still living together

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post #16

I think we are also seeing lower divorce rates and suspect a rebound once the economy picks up and as this generation of children ages.

Yeah, this is terrible. A robust divorce rate is must for healthy growing economy.

I interpreted the parent comment in the inverse. A poor economy means people will stay in unhappy situations longer than otherwise.

Re: Housing costs are so high that divorced couples are still living together

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The Tantone's situation really weakens this article for me, rate hikes were entirely telegraphed by Powell, and they bought during the beginning of that spree. Further, you were always going to lose money, there are very few situations in which anyone could come out better in 1.5 years into a mortgage, their plan was essentially wait at minimum 3 years (ride up, -some time passes- , then the ride down, however long t…

Real estate agents always have a narrative about why you should buy now. For example, if rates are rising, a good story is that other people are holding back from buying due to rising rates, therefore buyers are sitting out, there is pent-up demand. This was your last change to get in before prices explode when the fed tapers. We know this is wrong with hindsight but it was widely believed. You can’t expect people to…

Real estate agents don't wrap your brain in a plastic bag and throw it out the window over the course of days/weeks/months into a search for what is likely to be the single largest purchase you will probably make in your entire life.

Hindsight is not relevant.

> You can’t expect people to predict the course of the bond market.

If you can't "predict" fed fund rates, then why make predictions on the housing market? The thing that the governments both state and federal is heavily vested with.

I think your reasoning is quite flawed. The Tantone's situation is one of unpreparedness and shortsighted to say the least, which as an insurance salesman looks pretty terrible.

Re: Housing costs are so high that divorced couples are still living together

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When we 1st separated in 2011 my ex-wife and I along with our young daughter stayed in the same house for about a year. It was definitely not the most comfortable of situations but I've had worse living arrangements in my life.

After selling the house we both rented town houses. We should have done more communicating about that because we unknowingly ended up renting 2 doors down from each other. That was the living situation which couldn't end soon enough.

Re: Housing costs are so high that divorced couples are still living together

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post #28

When we 1st separated in 2011 my ex-wife and I along with our young daughter stayed in the same house for about a year. It was definitely not the most comfortable of situations but I've had worse living arrangements in my life. After selling the house we both rented town houses. We should have done more communicating about that because we unknowingly ended up renting 2 doors down from each other. That was the living…

That’s hilarious!
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