Orion Browser by Kagi • Hacker News Board

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by keyle » Tue, Nov 28, 2023, 5:21 AM UTC

mantra2 wrote: post #7

How is it actually working now? The last time I tried it I felt it was pretty buggy -- but in an ideal world I'd love to switch.

It's essentially Safari with ad blocking built in. Certain website I notice crap out, but it's pretty rare.

I made the switch approx 6 months ago.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by vsgherzi » Tue, Nov 28, 2023, 5:29 AM UTC

For me it's been more performant than safari esp on google based sites (google meet)

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by mgiampapa » Tue, Nov 28, 2023, 5:34 AM UTC

Since it supports iOS and iPadOS, does it use a fork of WebKit, or is it embedded Safari? What manifest API is it going to support going forward?

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by chronicsonic » Tue, Nov 28, 2023, 5:45 AM UTC

vunderba wrote: post #15

As far as I know, Orion is the only iOS compatible browser that lets you load extensions from the Chrome store and possibly Firefox as well although I'm not sure about that.

Yes it also supports Firefox extensions. Bypass Paywall Clean is a great one.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by smcleod » Tue, Nov 28, 2023, 5:45 AM UTC

mgiampapa wrote: post #23

Since it supports iOS and iPadOS, does it use a fork of WebKit, or is it embedded Safari? What manifest API is it going to support going forward?

https://kagi.com/orion/faq.html

> How will manifest v2 extensions work with Orion after manifest v3 roll out in Chrome?

> Same as before! Orion has its own implementation of the entire web extensions API and different "manifests" are just numbers. We support web extensions APIs regardless of how Google decided to call them or change them. Manifest change impacts mostly Chromium clones, and Orion will support both "manifest v2" and manifest v3" extensions in the future.

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> Will Orion for iOS also support web extensions?

> Yes, we have preliminary support for some web extensions on iOS.

> Wait, are you sure? No browser on iOS can use Chrome/Firefox extensions!

> Orion makes it possible! We ported hundreds of web extension APIs to run on top of WebKit, which also runs on iOS.

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Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by chronicsonic » Tue, Nov 28, 2023, 5:46 AM UTC

yahmez wrote: post #5

If I load reddit.com on the iOS Orion browser the page is completely unresponsive. Anyone else experience this? Not a great first impression sadly.

I use Safari for Reddit because of the SinkIt extension:

https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/sink-it-for-reddit/id644987363...

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by charcircuit » Tue, Nov 28, 2023, 5:49 AM UTC

syndicatedjelly wrote: post #19

charcircuit wrote: post #10

Developing a complex product like a browser without telemetry will be hard. Especially if they are trying to commit to objectives like using minimal battery or memory. There are many many different websites so its hard to predict what your users are using the browser for.

I'm glad someone is trying to doing something hard that will benefit people. We need more companies that want to do the hard thing, not the easy profitable thing.

Telemetry would allow them to make their product better for more people and know where to invest to benefit their users more. In this case proitability is proxy for how much value people get from the proxy. The thought that something is bad because it is profitable is misguided.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by mgiampapa » Tue, Nov 28, 2023, 5:52 AM UTC

smcleod wrote: post #25

mgiampapa wrote: post #23

Since it supports iOS and iPadOS, does it use a fork of WebKit, or is it embedded Safari? What manifest API is it going to support going forward?

https://kagi.com/orion/faq.html > How will manifest v2 extensions work with Orion after manifest v3 roll out in Chrome? > Same as before! Orion has its own implementation of the entire web extensions API and different "manifests" are just numbers. We support web extensions APIs regardless of how Google decided to call them or change them. Manifest change impacts mostly Chromium clones, and Orion will support both "ma…

Thanks, not having an iOS device or Mac I didn't check that far into their site. I'm not willing to invest into that ecosystem until Apple allows some freedom.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by Exoristos » Tue, Nov 28, 2023, 6:01 AM UTC

biglyburrito wrote: post #14

droopyEyelids wrote: post #2

Kagi is in the “this is fucking awesome” part of a tech company lifecycle.

Yup. Search results are as good in Kagi as Google used to be 10yrs ago, before it became an SEO-tuned, malware-infested garbage pile. Worth $5/month.

I would pay $1 or $2 a month, not $5.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by latchkey » Tue, Nov 28, 2023, 6:02 AM UTC

I'd love to see a browser natively and deeply integrate a 3rd party password manager like bitwarden or 1password, instead of just supporting Keychain.