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Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Post by doublerabbit »

jlmorton wrote: post #16
doublerabbit wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even better, can we all finally make a concerted effort and make a new browser better than Chrome and Firefox? We only let the net get jizzed on because we allow it to be. If Serenity can do it, imagine if all those who push repos to github collaborating together and actually making an open source project for all and everyone. Both browsers are old and have been abused.

It takes a special kind of hubris to think you're going to develop a browser better than Chrome and Firefox as an open source project. Both Chromium and Firefox are already open source projects. What is the magic sauce that's going to make this effort suddenly produce a perfect browser?

> What is the magic sauce that's going to make this effort suddenly produce a perfect browser?

Another Facebook of course. /s

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Post by layer8 »

derefr wrote: post #15

Two questions I haven't seen addressed by any coverage of this change: 1. Will the ultimate removal of Manifest V2 support affect other Chromium-based browsers, or only Chrome itself? If the support for Manifest V2 isn't removed upstream in Chromium, but only disabled in Chrome, then I would expect that we will end up in a world where other browsers (e.g. Edge, Brave, Opera) continue to allow the installation of Mani…

One reason Google wants to remove V2 support is to make implementation changes that V2 currently prevents. This means that a Chromium fork that preserves V2 support will likely have to diverge further and further from Chromium over time (or rather, Chromium will diverge).

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Post by wslh »

In a few years:

LLM: Hi!

Me: Please develop a browser that is full HTML, etc, etc compliant

LLM: No problem... download the source here.

Me: Thank you, but could you please optimize it for speed?

LLM: No problem, done.

Me: I have only 5 more minutes, could you please write a version in Rust, and two more in Go and C++? Ah, and support Linux, MacOS, Windows, Android and iOS. Don't forget to use the native WebView in iOS.

LLM: done.

Me: Could you please do me a favor? Remove all ads.

LLM: done.

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Post by nottheengineer »

vivzkestrel wrote: post #20
pier25 wrote: post #5

I like using Chrome and even went back to it after trying FF and Brave 2-3 years ago. But this would really make me look for alternatives, even if those are inferior. It's not even about Youtube. I pay for Youtube Premium. But not being able to block third party cookies would be a deal breaker.

majority of the people will still use Chrome even if Google literally delists all blockers from the planet. One major reason being "browser migration". The guys on HN crying foul on most of these articles are a vocal minority. This s Google's version of "corner the market and raise the prices". They ll lost 2-5% market share at max

Don't forget that google also has mozilla by the balls and can turn firefox into a community project at any time.

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Post by kllrnohj »

pier25 wrote: post #5

I like using Chrome and even went back to it after trying FF and Brave 2-3 years ago. But this would really make me look for alternatives, even if those are inferior. It's not even about Youtube. I pay for Youtube Premium. But not being able to block third party cookies would be a deal breaker.

> But not being able to block third party cookies would be a deal breaker.

Chrome has a proper setting for that you don't need an addon for it?

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Post by zlg_codes »

Watch the already limited traffic I send to Google servers go even lower. I am not entangled in their mess. None of the faangs can touch me because I wasn't stupid enough to put my entire digital life in the hands of a company.

I'm looking ten or more years in the future, though. By that time, the Firefox/Chrome duopoly will be broken by alternatives that don't compromise between the user and business models.

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Post by whycome »

wslh wrote: post #23

In a few years: LLM: Hi! Me: Please develop a browser that is full HTML, etc, etc compliant LLM: No problem... download the source here. Me: Thank you, but could you please optimize it for speed? LLM: No problem, done. Me: I have only 5 more minutes, could you please write a version in Rust, and two more in Go and C++? Ah, and support Linux, MacOS, Windows, Android and iOS. Don't forget to use the native WebView in i…

But also

LLM: Unfortunately, as a subsidiary of MSFT, I cannot allow you to create a competitor to Edge. Would you like to try Edge now instead?

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Post by zlg_codes »

amelius wrote: post #4
lagniappe wrote: post #2

"You do this, and I will do that.. forever" - Rickson Gracie

Except Google has the money/power to put anti-adblocker technology inside chips. Needless to say, I'm not applauding any steps in this direction.

Are you aware of how much "ewaste" is still viable and will 'lose support' for these Big Brother chip designs, but still be plenty serviceable by a normal person?

Windows 11 requiring a TPM has already locked some people out of their zeitgeist. There is more old circuitry that can get the job done well enough, they'd be competing with prior freedoms.

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Post by kllrnohj »

malermeister wrote: post #7

Can we all finally make a concerted effort to switch back to Firefox? I get it, it was slow and bloated when Chrome initially came out and everyone switched. Well, it's not slow or bloated anymore and Chrome is now officially evil. It's time. Don't just switch your own browser. Switch the browsers of all the non-technical folks that come to you for questions.

Been using Firefox on Android for a while now and it's great. Chrome's forced tab groups thing is what pushed me to switch, and it's been mostly great since. Firefox on Android even has proper scroll/fling physics now (they used to have an awful implementation on Android).

Only complaint is text input on some sites is very sluggish and drops letters, notably many of the wikis used by games. But those sites are not exactly optimized either so no idea how much of that is Firefox vs. the site.

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Post by zlg_codes »

jlmorton wrote: post #16
doublerabbit wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even better, can we all finally make a concerted effort and make a new browser better than Chrome and Firefox? We only let the net get jizzed on because we allow it to be. If Serenity can do it, imagine if all those who push repos to github collaborating together and actually making an open source project for all and everyone. Both browsers are old and have been abused.

It takes a special kind of hubris to think you're going to develop a browser better than Chrome and Firefox as an open source project. Both Chromium and Firefox are already open source projects. What is the magic sauce that's going to make this effort suddenly produce a perfect browser?

A lack of desire to implement technologies that are harmful to the Web; specifically technologies designed to usurp control from the user and/or its agent.

Remove Javascript and 90% of your challenges go away.

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