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> they had to stop selling Win10 licenses to force people to upgrade. To be fair, at some point, you must stop selling old licenses for the software you no longer develop...
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Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper
#22Win11 its such a dumpster fire they had to stop selling Win10 licenses to force people to upgrade. Add to that porting copilot to Win10 because there aren't enough Win11 users around.
We’ve heard this for every version of Windows for the past twenty years or more. When XP was new, there were people refusing to upgrade from Win2000 to “Fischer-Price Windows”. Well, all versions except Vista — everybody seemed happy to upgrade to Windows 7. (Of course the lesson Microsoft drew from that smooth upgrade was to blow up everything for the next version. “They want tablet interactions, they just don’t kno…
Win8 (and Win8.1) also had the same reception. People were, of course, more than happy to move to Win10, which contained most of the under-the-hood improvements from Win8 and had a more traditional UI. (Also, with Vista → 7, it didn't hurt that machines had gotten more powerful in the meantime, so the extra RAM usage didn't really matter much anymore.)
Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper
#23performance means nothing if the software you require doesn't run on it
We are at a stage where games built for Windows actually run better on Linux so this argument will probably not be relevant for too long anymore.
If they run at all, that is. The latest update to League of Legends seems to have broken it for all Linux users.
Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper
#24performance means nothing if the software you require doesn't run on it
which is why I "need" Linux.
The software that I need, will run on Windows, but hardly and always with great effort and abysmal stability. And sometimes not at all.
ruby/rbenv, nvm/node, rust/cargo, docker, nvim, ripgrep, git, rsync, ssh. All of which I sometimes, somehow managed to get running at some point when helping co-workers with their Windows machines. But the amount of fiddling, trial-and-errorring and such is terrible. For example PuTTY is a fantastic beast, but it's nowhere near as well integrated and easy to setup and use as SSH on Mac or Linux. If only because the latter already have it. Most was before WSL, though. I presume with WSL it will be much easier. But that's because its running on Linux...
Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper
#25performance means nothing if the software you require doesn't run on it
We are at a stage where games built for Windows actually run better on Linux so this argument will probably not be relevant for too long anymore.
You mean some games built for Windows run better on Linux (and I'd be curious to know which ones actually run better). Some games barely run on Linux, some just don't work, some get broken by new versions, etc.
And computers aren't just for gaming. Some people actually work with their computers. Let me know when photoshop or autocad run smoothly on Linux.
Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper
#26I hope the community really gets behind Snap or Flatpak or one of the other systems for bringing a modern permissions and privileges system to the Linux desktop. It would help me be a lot more comfortable recommending Linux to non-technical people.
What distro would you recommend to somebody like me who wants to be asked before an application gets access to my location, microphone, camera, network, etc...?
Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper
#27Win11 its such a dumpster fire they had to stop selling Win10 licenses to force people to upgrade. Add to that porting copilot to Win10 because there aren't enough Win11 users around.
We’ve heard this for every version of Windows for the past twenty years or more. When XP was new, there were people refusing to upgrade from Win2000 to “Fischer-Price Windows”. Well, all versions except Vista — everybody seemed happy to upgrade to Windows 7. (Of course the lesson Microsoft drew from that smooth upgrade was to blow up everything for the next version. “They want tablet interactions, they just don’t kno…
Yes, we were. But have we been fundamentaly wrong?
Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper
#28I've been playing around with Ubuntu training myself for the day that I have to give up windows 10. My only complaints are that Linux can be tedious, everything is just 43 commands away; it requires greater understanding of not just what the system is doing, but how it is doing it; and the documentation is written like a Wikipedia article on advanced nuclear theory.
Windows and OSX have, for the most part, just worked, and it was easier for me to understand what was going on, and how to engage tasks, fix problems, and use the system. With Linux it can feel like I'm fighting with the system at times.
I'm enjoying the experience but it has not been without frustration. Perhaps I should have chosen another flavor?
Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper
#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
We are at a stage where games built for Windows actually run better on Linux so this argument will probably not be relevant for too long anymore.
If they run at all, that is. The latest update to League of Legends seems to have broken it for all Linux users.
WoW also crashes randomly every 30 minutes using lutris after the latest update, it's quite annoying. This happens on both my wife and my computer. She has an AMD gpu and I have a nvidia.
Otherwise it has been running really well.
Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper
#30I have two rigs here at home. A 12700k gaming box with a high end Nvme disk. Also, a 13900k workstation with Nvme disks as well. The gaming box runs Windows 11, and it feels generally snappy until I’m navigating the filesystem or dealing with compression. On the flip side the other box is running Debian 12 and feels significantly faster. Could be 12th gen vs 13th gen but I don’t think that’s the case.
I have a Zen 2 Threadripper box that I dual boot (it's a workstation for coding that I sometimes play games on), and I can confirm. I don't know what the exact technical reason is or why nobody in Redmond is embarrassed. But anything relating to the filesystem is simply dog-slow on Windows, and the more high-end your system is, the more this becomes the major bottleneck.
The day I realized I could find files by file extension just like that in less than seconds from the terminal or nautilus changed my life.