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He says that everyone is nice but Sam Altman, who, though always nice to the author, was mean to friends of the author in ways that are not described.
That said, it feels awkward to even point out these gradations, without knowing the people in question.
I just realized that this is the kind of conversation that preceded forum witch hunts. Or tribe formation :/
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97% of OpenAI's employees? You can probably find dozens if not hundreds of active users on this site you are using, who have at some point crossed paths with Sam, given his involvement in building YC. Haven't there already been data points relating their positive views of Altman? It is a datapoint. It's not the only datapoint.
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I think if you truly believed you were as in the dark as you admit you are, you wouldn't have jumped to conclusions about this affair as early as you did.
The logical answer is to be neutral. But everyone is exploding and thinking the board is full of mentally retarded simpletons.
Like seriously. Tell me which is more likely? That the board is mentally retarded or that there's some reasoning here that we don't know about?
HN is a mob. And I like the mobs take: The entire board of several people is coincidentally ALL mentally retarded and we should make them all resign. That's clearly the most rational and most likely analysis of what happened here.
When i look at the various comments across the various posts on this topic i am ashamed of the people in the Tech. Industry. There is just unbridled greed where it seems folks would sell their own mother for money. While i am no better than most of my fellow humans when it comes to love of money, i hope i have some moral/ethical compass which will allow me to make better decisions when it comes to societal altering technologies. Ilya and his team stood for something and we need to encourage such moral/ethical stands in the industry.
Sam Altman is just a business schmoozer and hustler who seems to have only gotten to where he is due to patronage by other well-established folks and not due to any inherent technical vision/mastery/knowledge. He is replaceable but the brains behind the technology is not.
Some stories don't have a hero.
I am firmly on the side of Ilya and the Board on this. Yes it could have been handled better (easy to say for us who have no "emotional baggage" nor "skin in the game") but it is what it is. There must have been a precipitating factor which we still don't know. Somebody needs to standup for them. When i look at the various comments across the various posts on this topic i am ashamed of the people in the Tech. Industr…
He will not even say the real reason that he, not the Board, fired Sam. If he has lost trust in Sam, he can no longer say so.
I also do not see why the board would endanger their already weak position by giving any courtesy notice to Microsoft, who has the best lawyers in the world and will move instantly.
https://nitter.net/geoffreyirving/status/1726754270224023971
Unrelated to the actual topic at hand, it’s mind blowing how much better nitter is in usability, speed, and user experience.
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97% of OpenAI's employees? You can probably find dozens if not hundreds of active users on this site you are using, who have at some point crossed paths with Sam, given his involvement in building YC. Haven't there already been data points relating their positive views of Altman? It is a datapoint. It's not the only datapoint.
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I think if you truly believed you were as in the dark as you admit you are, you wouldn't have jumped to conclusions about this affair as early as you did.
Bro. Literally We do not have an honest statement about the details of WHY he's fired. We are all in the dark. The logical answer is to be neutral. But everyone is exploding and thinking the board is full of mentally retarded simpletons. Like seriously. Tell me which is more likely? That the board is mentally retarded or that there's some reasoning here that we don't know about? HN is a mob. And I like the mobs take:…
My take comes from a background of not thinking boards are all that special compared to company leaders, and they're at their best when they don't interfere with extraordinary CEOs/Founders. Further, my general belief is that inexperienced boards are common, detrimental, and don't really understand this. I'm also biased against nonprofit boards, mostly from personal experience though obviously with smaller orgs.
My current take on this situation is not so much that the board was mentally retarded, but that the org structure allowed people with strong competing interests and very little "skin in the game" in the org to serve on the board, creating stronger incentives for an activist board than incentives for long-term success, which (as I alluded to) leads to poor outcomes.
Exhibit A: Adam D'Angelo at Quora/Poe. Exhibit B: Moskovitz's ties to the other board members.
Strong incentives here to slow down OpenAI in favor of their own external, competing missions.
which brings on Exhibit C: Installing Emmett Shear, a man who wanted to slow down OpenAI's pace by 90%.
I am firmly on the side of Ilya and the Board on this. Yes it could have been handled better (easy to say for us who have no "emotional baggage" nor "skin in the game") but it is what it is. There must have been a precipitating factor which we still don't know. Somebody needs to standup for them. When i look at the various comments across the various posts on this topic i am ashamed of the people in the Tech. Industr…
I trust Ilya in his original decision, not in his retraction under intense pressure. Ilya has not changed his beliefs. Rather, he was unable to pay the price of those beliefs. He will not even say the real reason that he, not the Board, fired Sam. If he has lost trust in Sam, he can no longer say so. I also do not see why the board would endanger their already weak position by giving any courtesy notice to Microsoft,…
But all said and done, people need to get behind Ilya and the Technical Team at OpenAI. They deserve it.