These simply can't be the real reasons.
OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired
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#22Beyond parody. To fire the CEO of _any_ company over this is insane.
It really looks like the board went rogue and decided to shut the company down. Are we sure this isn’t some kind of decapitation strike by GPT5? That seems more credible by the minute now.
Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired
#23> One explanation was that Altman was said to have given two people at OpenAI the same project.
Have these people never worked at any other company before? Probably every company with more than 10 employees does something like this.
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#24Title says: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired. They're unconvinced and furious. Some breaking news: An employer does not owe you an explanation. You exchange money for labor. If anyone thinks for a second that they are essential or that anyone would prioritize them over the company I think they are delusional. OpenAI is a brand (at least in tech) with large recognition and th…
The truth is in-between, if a company tells you you're valuable or even irreplaceable they're buttering you up. Thank them but try not to let it go to your head, if the wind changes you can end up under the bus. But a powerful brand really can collapse overnight if 90%+ of employees leave. We're seeing some odd bedfellows here, between the C-levels and VCs in closed door meetings and employees acting collectively. No…
the question I have is: how much of this is really happening and how much of this is a narrative fabricated to match a desired outcome by the side with the best PR?
It's really hard to understand now and we will probably learn way more details once things cool down.
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are a hero! I couldn’t access the article. Weirdly both of these do not seem to be fireable offences. Maybe the second if it was related to a personnel issue that maybe he had a conflict of interest with?
I posted it since that was hidden very deep in the article, it is annoying to find information among all that padding. > Weirdly both of these do not seem to be fireable offences Yeah I agree that doesn't seem egregious enough to warrant firing him on the spot. I can see why most of the company takes Altmans side here.
It sounds to me as if the board has not been consistently candid in its communications with the employees, and they have responded by firing it.
Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired
#26Title says: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired. They're unconvinced and furious. Some breaking news: An employer does not owe you an explanation. You exchange money for labor. If anyone thinks for a second that they are essential or that anyone would prioritize them over the company I think they are delusional. OpenAI is a brand (at least in tech) with large recognition and th…
As an employee I want to know that the board/execs/c suite are doing a good job and their decisions align with the companies stated goals. If they are not then it is time to start looking for a new job so that I don't end up in a bad situation financially.
It depends. If you are seeing your job more than just a means to an ends maybe. If you see it as transactional and you need the company to stay in business while you work there why would you bother looking for a new job?
Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
The truth is in-between, if a company tells you you're valuable or even irreplaceable they're buttering you up. Thank them but try not to let it go to your head, if the wind changes you can end up under the bus. But a powerful brand really can collapse overnight if 90%+ of employees leave. We're seeing some odd bedfellows here, between the C-levels and VCs in closed door meetings and employees acting collectively. No…
the question I have is: how much of this is really happening and how much of this is a narrative fabricated to match a desired outcome by the side with the best PR? It's really hard to understand now and we will probably learn way more details once things cool down.
Agreed, things are very much up in the air. I certainly wouldn't pretend to know what's to come, and wouldn't be shocked to learn that the threats to quit en masse have been overstated.
Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired
#28Title says: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired. They're unconvinced and furious. Some breaking news: An employer does not owe you an explanation. You exchange money for labor. If anyone thinks for a second that they are essential or that anyone would prioritize them over the company I think they are delusional. OpenAI is a brand (at least in tech) with large recognition and th…
Seems very feudal, serfdom mindset to accept that your employer doesn't owe you an explanation.
An employment is a contract which both parties enter into willingly. Termination of contract deserves some level of empathetic glad handling, however minimal. It's just game theory - if you plan to hire again, you have to be gracious while firing someone because word gets around.
Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired
#29Title says: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired. They're unconvinced and furious. Some breaking news: An employer does not owe you an explanation. You exchange money for labor. If anyone thinks for a second that they are essential or that anyone would prioritize them over the company I think they are delusional. OpenAI is a brand (at least in tech) with large recognition and th…
Weird take in this context. Nearly all of the company has threatened to walk out and join Microsoft.
hah. these people obviously have not worked for Microsoft. You need to remember why this tech emerged in a place like OpenAI and not MS or Google. The structure and the politics of a big corporation are not conducive to cutting edge tech. They may go to Microsoft, but they will not be able to innovate in the same way and will probably fall into irrelevance in the long run.
Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired
#30The two reasons: > Sustkever is said to have offered two explanations he purportedly received from the board, according to one of the people familiar. One explanation was that Altman was said to have given two people at OpenAI the same project. > The other was that Altman allegedly gave two board members different opinions about a member of personnel. An OpenAI spokesperson did not respond to requests for comment.
Isn't Sustkever on the board? Why is this phrased like he isn't and is just delivering a message?