Usually advertising partners are pretty chill about their $320,000 branded hashtag campaigns promoting Al Qaeda content, concerning to see this.
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TikTok 'aggressively' taking down videos about Bin Laden 'Letter to America'
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#22I hate TikTok as much as the next guy, but this feels like a manufactured controversy. You can always find a small minority of people advocating for extremism on any social media platform, and I don't see any evidence to suggest that TikTok has some major Al-Qaeda problem that the other platforms don't. A lot of this feels like The Guardian trying to cover their asses, since they were the ones that published the letter and only took it down yesterday. It would be pretty infuriating if this sparks some massive censorship campaign while mainstream companies get off scot-free.
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#23Noam Chomsky argues the United States is a leading terrorist state. Does that mean TikTok is going to take down anything related to US foreign policy? Are regular people not allowed to read or share content created by anyone the US government doesn’t like? Are people not allowed to form their own opinions? What a joke. The “free” democratic west where communication is limited by a handful of large corporate interests…
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#24This is interesting because it highlights just how fast propaganda can propagate… I don’t know how we are going to fight the onslaught of disinformation we are about to get not to mention the weaponization of AI generated disinformation.
Maybe advertisers are the solution.. they won’t want to be associated with disinformation.
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
TikTok is a private company and your use of their service is not a right.
My criticism of there being a few corporate gatekeepers of communication that are bullied by the government to censor content it doesn’t like is valid. You’re free to believe whatever neocon libertarian nonsense you wish.
And what if the corporate gatekeepers censor themselves due to market forces instead? Like advertisers threatening to pull funding because they don’t think it’s a good look for them.
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#26Noam Chomsky argues the United States is a leading terrorist state. Does that mean TikTok is going to take down anything related to US foreign policy? Are regular people not allowed to read or share content created by anyone the US government doesn’t like? Are people not allowed to form their own opinions? What a joke. The “free” democratic west where communication is limited by a handful of large corporate interests…
The idea that China is hoping for some Islamist radical campaign against the USA is misplaced. China fundamentally wants order within its borders (defined as China defines them), and terrorism against any major state actor doesn't align with its goals. Its vision of a new world order is a collection of states dividing the world into spheres of influence, without individualistic activism, violent or otherwise, disrupting state power within those spheres. More likely than not, the US didn't even need to request anything of TikTok to get this censorship: it arose organically.
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you believe Osama bin Laden has the right to kill civilians, as he claims in his letter?
I believe that in a free democratic society people should be allowed to read a letter written by an Islamic fundamentalist who orchestrated the largest terrorist attack against the United States. I believe people should be allowed to form their own opinions about his motives beyond what US government propagandists want the US public to believe. Contrary to public belief, I don’t think they did it because they hate ou…
People aren’t allowed to read something because it isn’t on TikTok is certainly not a take I’d expect to hear from someone rallying against America.
Typically that’s a right wing conservative argument that Trump and Fox News parrot about Alex Jones and what not.
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#28Noam Chomsky argues the United States is a leading terrorist state. Does that mean TikTok is going to take down anything related to US foreign policy? Are regular people not allowed to read or share content created by anyone the US government doesn’t like? Are people not allowed to form their own opinions? What a joke. The “free” democratic west where communication is limited by a handful of large corporate interests…
The idea that China is hoping for some Islamist radical campaign against the USA is misplaced. China fundamentally wants order within its borders (defined as China defines them), and terrorism against any major state actor doesn't align with its goals. Its vision of a new world order is a collection of states dividing the world into spheres of influence, without individualistic activism, violent or otherwise, disrupt…
> China fundamentally wants order within its borders
Aside, I have a pet theory involving how the game Battlefield 4 (2013) was banned in China. The plot does not depict China as some inherently Anti-Freedom Giant Evil Empire, but I think that--in the eyes of Chinese censors--it did something even worse: It suggested that there were cracks in the empire, that it was even possible for a rogue Chinese admiral to (in the then-future year 2020) stage a credible coup against the Chinese establishment.
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#29Usually advertising partners are pretty chill about their $320,000 branded hashtag campaigns promoting Al Qaeda content, concerning to see this.
Perhaps advertisers controlling all the information most people see is a bad thing?
That document is one of the most important things written during the Global War on Terror and it’s a primary source. It gives insight into his mindset, what made him angry, why he did this. Yet the document didn’t have a significant impact on the course of events, it has minimal propaganda value.
It’s a very important document to read because the lessons of the Global War of Terror have been forgotten in the Gaza strip.
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#30Noam Chomsky argues the United States is a leading terrorist state. Does that mean TikTok is going to take down anything related to US foreign policy? Are regular people not allowed to read or share content created by anyone the US government doesn’t like? Are people not allowed to form their own opinions? What a joke. The “free” democratic west where communication is limited by a handful of large corporate interests…
Chomsky argues many things but the only things you should take from him without a whole tablespoon of salt has to do with linguistics. Certainly not geopolitics.
I first read Chomsky in the '80s for his work on grammer, I'm not sold (nor are others) on his ideas of universal grammer or innate syntactic knowledge.
Contrariwise his book later that decade Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media seems to be pretty much bang on the money outlining propaganda as an emergent behaviour that doesn't require an excess of particular directed pressure to come about.