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The 'Georgists' Are Out and they want to tax your land

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Re: The 'Georgists' Are Out and they want to tax your land

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Dumb question about land value tax- does it unfairly penalize people who own large tracts of land like farmers and loggers?

I would guess that the nuance to that question would be the interpretation of "unfairly", no?

If you are sitting on land that is more valuable than the use you put it to, maybe you should have an incentive to put it to more valuable use?

Re: The 'Georgists' Are Out and they want to tax your land

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post #6

Dumb question about land value tax- does it unfairly penalize people who own large tracts of land like farmers and loggers?

The short answer is no.

The long answer requires a discussion about what you define as "fair" & the exact implementation of the tax governing the land you're talking about. This would be true of any tax though. The answer would still likely be no, though.

Many places have implemented an LVT. I suggest you look into some of them to see how the tax usually plays out in practice. In NSW, Australia, for example, farmland is exempt.

Re: The 'Georgists' Are Out and they want to tax your land

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Dumb question about land value tax- does it unfairly penalize people who own large tracts of land like farmers and loggers?

If the land is only really useful for farming or logging, then no. You'll still get taxed on it, but because the land is relatively low-value it won't be much.

Now, if you're a farmer on the edge of Austin, and the city's growth means your land is getting increasingly valuable due to high housing demand, then your tax will go up, potentially until you're forced to give up farming and sell to developers. That's intentional, it means the land will be used for something more valuable than it's current use.

Re: The 'Georgists' Are Out and they want to tax your land

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I'm a huge proponent of land tax. Here's why I think it's worth considering: 1. Economic Efficiency: Unlike income or consumption taxes, an LVT is non-distortionary. It doesn't discourage productive activities like work, saving, or investment. Land is a fixed resource; its supply doesn't change with price or tax fluctuations. Therefore, an LVT wouldn't distort market incentives, unlike other taxes. By shifting the ta…

To me the key issue is the Law of Rent. It helps explain issues like Elizabeth Warren's Two-Income Trap. Why does technological progress not seem to result in overall increasing leisure and standard of living? That is why Henry George titled his book "Progress and Poverty". He was explaining that paradox using the law of rent developed by Adam Smith and David Ricardo, and proposing their solution with a megaphone.

Re: The 'Georgists' Are Out and they want to tax your land

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post #6

Dumb question about land value tax- does it unfairly penalize people who own large tracts of land like farmers and loggers?

I would guess that the nuance to that question would be the interpretation of "unfairly", no? If you are sitting on land that is more valuable than the use you put it to, maybe you should have an incentive to put it to more valuable use?

The market calue of the more valuable use is an incentive, whether or not there is additional incentive.

Re: The 'Georgists' Are Out and they want to tax your land

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post #6

Dumb question about land value tax- does it unfairly penalize people who own large tracts of land like farmers and loggers?

I would guess that the nuance to that question would be the interpretation of "unfairly", no? If you are sitting on land that is more valuable than the use you put it to, maybe you should have an incentive to put it to more valuable use?

What is a more valuable use than feeding people? Farmers are already incentivized to abuse their land with monocropping and industrialization in order to stay afloat even with the subsidies they already have. A land value tax would make things even worse and would probably result in outsourcing all food production to other countries.

Re: The 'Georgists' Are Out and they want to tax your land

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Why does this author insist on calling all of these people who think LVT is a good idea Georgists? It’s kind of an annoying angle for the article.

Because land value taxation is one of the cornerstones of Georgism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgism

Re: The 'Georgists' Are Out and they want to tax your land

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I'm a huge proponent of land tax. Here's why I think it's worth considering: 1. Economic Efficiency: Unlike income or consumption taxes, an LVT is non-distortionary. It doesn't discourage productive activities like work, saving, or investment. Land is a fixed resource; its supply doesn't change with price or tax fluctuations. Therefore, an LVT wouldn't distort market incentives, unlike other taxes. By shifting the ta…

At least here in California, I'd be worried that it could get instituted with token or no reduction in other taxes. Otherwise it seems to make a lot of sense, particularly with regard to removing disincentives for development.

Couldn't you remove the first five words of your reply and still make a valid point?

Re: The 'Georgists' Are Out and they want to tax your land

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I'm a huge proponent of land tax. Here's why I think it's worth considering: 1. Economic Efficiency: Unlike income or consumption taxes, an LVT is non-distortionary. It doesn't discourage productive activities like work, saving, or investment. Land is a fixed resource; its supply doesn't change with price or tax fluctuations. Therefore, an LVT wouldn't distort market incentives, unlike other taxes. By shifting the ta…

> Sustainable Land Use Hmmm, I don't get this point. If the incentive is to sell of develop your land what happens to "fallow" land that serves as a habitat for plants or animals? Seems like this would encourage developing land even if it's in a suboptimal location and would otherwise remain fallow, which seems less sustainable than the status quo.

The strongest incentive to develop land exists for land which has a high value owing to its location.

Land out in the countryside would not be hugely taxed under this system.

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