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Time to ditch the arrogant tech blogs

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Re: Time to ditch the arrogant tech blogs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It also doesn't work out for anyone working at tech startups that aren't funded by the VCs behind PandoDaily. That is the reason this is a Bad Thing, not "the reader is being poorly informed".

I think it depends on perspective. If you are working for a tech startup, it's The Reason. If you a reader, it's not. I figure there are a lot more readers than there are startup employees.

Disagree. If it's "bad" to provide incomplete or one-sided content to a reader, then we ought to get rid of 99% of the internet.

Ask yourself this - if PandoDaily remained exactly as it was but financial backers weren't VCs then how damaging would it be? Not very. Just another crap blog in a sea of crap blogs, hurting no one.

Re: Time to ditch the arrogant tech blogs

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You should hit Techcrunch and the likes when you're about to go fund-raising because the audience definitely feels like other startups and VCs. If these are are not your audience you're just wasting your time.

Re: Time to ditch the arrogant tech blogs

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Those numbers sounded too low, which prompted me to look into it.

They were both featured on other editions of Techcrunch, not the main site. One was on Techcrunch UK[1], with a short post, the other on Techcrunch TV (way down with a single link in a short story)[2], both before the merge.

To say that it is important to the point of the story to mention that they weren't featured on the main Techcrunch site is an understatement. While the EU and TV properties pre-merger were doing well, the main site is an order of magnitude larger.

I used to work at TC, but I still refer a lot of startups there for stories and have been keeping up with the numbers. You can expect referrals in the range of a few thousand to up to 40k. In terms of the 'startup' space (that is anything funding related, launch announcements, hiring announcements etc.) there is usually no better outlet, since every single venture capitalist, journalist, blogger, entrepreneur, potential executive employee etc. reads the site.

The exception is if you are in a niche which can be better served by other blogs.

Being featured on Techcrunch usually leads to a couple of more blog posts from other sites, and it can usually lead to appearing on Techmeme - which every tech blogger and journalists checks regularly every day.

There is no doubt that with a good product a mainstream media feature will get you more long-term users. Every startup and announcement is different, you need to take all fo this into account when considering where and how you want to release your news.

What I can tell you is that a feature on TC definitely doesn't send referrals in the dozens - I think the post should be updated to clarify that.

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Update: I just got a response from the author of the OP on Twitter. When I asked him why there was no mention of his stories being on TC Europe and no links to them, he replied[3]: "I actually did, I'm not sure why but they seem to have disappeared in the editing process. I'll try to get them put back in." and "Btw, both were featured on the TC Europe homepage in the main stream. I appreciate it probably should be more clear."

It is probably worth mentioning at this point that 'the editor' of The Kernel (although he may not have been the editor of this post), Milo, was the same guy who wrote the story on TC[1] referred to in the post. He worked at TC Europe and is now the editor at The Kernel - they somehow talked around this fact in the post without mentioning it.

I just pinged him on Twitter to ask if he removed the references or if they were simply just lost somehow.

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Update 2: Further, from the author: "Mm, but this was a while back (2009), Milo has made no secret of being frustrated with TC Europe. I'm writing of my own volition." [5] and "I don't think missing links was intentional. I had also linked to Jottify and a few other things and they're also missing."[6]

From Milo: (when asked if he was editor on that post): "Hi there. No I wasn't - but I will nip in and make clear"[7]

The links may have been dropped, but there is still no distinction in the actual content that the post isn't about the main Techcrunch site.

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note the link is now to techcrunch.com but that is because the sites have been merged

[1] http://techcrunch.com/2009/08/10/enovella-gives-aspiring-aut...

[2] http://techcrunch.com/2011/10/07/techcrunch-tv-three-startup...

[3] https://twitter.com/#!/jacklenox/status/190121611578441728

[4] https://twitter.com/#!/jacklenox/status/190122178547691520

[5] https://twitter.com/#!/jacklenox/status/190126807595495425

[6] https://twitter.com/#!/jacklenox/status/190127630606020608

[7] https://twitter.com/#!/Nero/status/190127568152838144

Re: Time to ditch the arrogant tech blogs

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Arrogance, I don't care about. The shameless corruption, I do. PandoDaily, in particular, is funded by VC firms that also fund tech startups. They're basically buying coverage for their investments- it's taking the system that got Arrington fired and putting it on steroids. It works out great for the investment company, it works out great for their companies, the only person it doesn't work out for is that actual rea…

Posts from TC/Pando/Anyone affiliated with either shouldn't be allowed on Hacker News. There has not been a single post from either site that is of any use to us here.

They are biased. They are cry babies. They want attention. Stop giving it to them. TC & Pando stories should be banned from HN.

Add.: Maybe it's my introverted nature, but it really seems that this industry is heading to a place where if you aren't a complete arrogant ass without shame who can strut around going "Look at me I'm so cool! Look what I do!", your project won't get any mainstream attention. It makes me sad.

Re: Time to ditch the arrogant tech blogs

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I think it's important to note the OP's beef is apparently with TechCrunch EU, not with the "US" version of TechCrunch we all know and love/loathe. As far as I know, eu.techcrunch.com is magnitudes smaller than techcrunch.com. EDIT: Looks like they folded eu.techcrunch.com into the main site at some point (after writing about eNovella, before writing about Jottify?). eNovella post on TechCrunch: http://eu.techcrunch.…

I picked up on the same point because the numbers just sounded too stupid low not to look into, I should have checked the comments here first.

I didn't pick up on the editor of Kernel and the author of the post being the same person - something that should be disclosed.

Explains why they didn't link to the posts!

Shame because in the previous thread about tech blogs The Kernel was mentioned as a good, new alternate source. Turns out they are not too different ..

Re: Time to ditch the arrogant tech blogs

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post #4

Arrogance, I don't care about. The shameless corruption, I do. PandoDaily, in particular, is funded by VC firms that also fund tech startups. They're basically buying coverage for their investments- it's taking the system that got Arrington fired and putting it on steroids. It works out great for the investment company, it works out great for their companies, the only person it doesn't work out for is that actual rea…

Posts from TC/Pando/Anyone affiliated with either shouldn't be allowed on Hacker News. There has not been a single post from either site that is of any use to us here. They are biased. They are cry babies. They want attention. Stop giving it to them. TC & Pando stories should be banned from HN. Add.: Maybe it's my introverted nature, but it really seems that this industry is heading to a place where if you aren't a c…

That's not going to happen, because those sites are useful to YC companies.

Re: Time to ditch the arrogant tech blogs

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Corrupt practices are only possible if they are hidden. Journalists like WSJ's Mossberg are able to maintain their credibility only because they keep it simple by not taking cash or freebies and restating that policy frequently.

If Blog X wants to take cash and freebies and then let me know about it in a nicely formatted web page, that's fine. I can keep reading and make a case by case judgement of their opinions. If not they are playing the game of monetizing their reputation and will one day be asking their hidden patrons for a job, or finding a new industry. Note the key driver in all this: transparency.

Re: Time to ditch the arrogant tech blogs

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Posts from TC/Pando/Anyone affiliated with either shouldn't be allowed on Hacker News. There has not been a single post from either site that is of any use to us here. They are biased. They are cry babies. They want attention. Stop giving it to them. TC & Pando stories should be banned from HN. Add.: Maybe it's my introverted nature, but it really seems that this industry is heading to a place where if you aren't a c…

That's not going to happen, because those sites are useful to YC companies.

Then there needs to be an alternative. Anything Arrington, Lacy, etc. are affiliated with will be plagued with corruption, terrible writers, and self-important nonsense.
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