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What's driving social justice ideology? The US and UK compared

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Re: What's driving social justice ideology? The US and UK compared

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It's probably best to name political ideologies for the ideal they believe in rather than whatever criticism their opponents hold for those ideas. Conservatives want to conserve the status quo. Progressives want to see society progress. Liberals want liberty. Authoritarians want strong authority. "Social justice ideologists" doesn't roll off the tongue, but it does a decent job of conveying who we are talking about.

> Progressives want to see society progress. No, they want to see it change. Not all change is progress.

Changing society back to 1950's and 1860's values is what conservatives want, and that's not progress, so your definition is wrong. When progressives finally succeed at canceling slavery and making racism unacceptable in public discourse (at least until Trump came along), conservatives aren't suddenly progressive just because they want to change that. They're fundamentally regressive.

Re: What's driving social justice ideology? The US and UK compared

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's probably best to name political ideologies for the ideal they believe in rather than whatever criticism their opponents hold for those ideas. Conservatives want to conserve the status quo. Progressives want to see society progress. Liberals want liberty. Authoritarians want strong authority. "Social justice ideologists" doesn't roll off the tongue, but it does a decent job of conveying who we are talking about.

Liberal/conservative or progressive/authoritarian work because they describe a dichotomy of sorts (even if these are kind of clumsy in this regard). But what could possibly be the opposite pole to "social justice"? Social injustice ideology?

Yes actually. How else would you describe considering empathy a weakness?

Re: What's driving social justice ideology? The US and UK compared

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Progressives want to see society progress. No, they want to see it change. Not all change is progress.

Changing society back to 1950's and 1860's values is what conservatives want, and that's not progress, so your definition is wrong. When progressives finally succeed at canceling slavery and making racism unacceptable in public discourse (at least until Trump came along), conservatives aren't suddenly progressive just because they want to change that. They're fundamentally regressive.

Two, three, or even 500 examples of change being progress does not in any way mean that all change is progress.

Which is what I said

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