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EU Parliament Civil Liberties Committee adopts position on CSAR

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Re: EU Parliament Civil Liberties Committee adopts position on CSAR

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Post by zakary »

eddtries wrote: post #18
PoignardAzur wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Contrary to popular opinion, lobbying isn't as simple as "pay for expensive restaurant, get votes". If legislators feel strongly ideologically about an issue, no amount of lobbying will make them vote the other way.

How do you explain big Pharma lobbying to stop reducing drug prices? For example, Democrats who held up drug pricing reforms were the largest beneficiaries of lobbyist money. https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/...

Everyone has a price, and drug companies can usually find a way to meet it for even the most steadfast

Re: EU Parliament Civil Liberties Committee adopts position on CSAR

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Post by eddtries »

eigenket wrote: post #4

Despite the lobbying from American organisations (Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Amazon, Palantir and others who worked with Thorn on this [1][2]) the EU Parliament did the right thing this time. [1] https://www.thorn.org/partnerships/ [2] https://web.archive.org/web/20130420162917/http://www.wearet...

The thing that I find shocking about lobbying is just how cheap it is. In the FTX trial the amount they spent lobbying politicians for pro-crypto laws was released and we're talking low five figures. SBF even said lobbying was very cheap for the impact you can get.

Naively I thought it would cost millions to get a politician to support you but actually it's cheap enough a FAANG engineer could individually pay enough to lobby someone lol.

Edit: Literally the user base on HN would be able to crowdfund and organise a lobbying group greater than the NRA ($2.93M in 2022) if we wanted to - lobbying is such a smaller industry than I intuitively expect

Re: EU Parliament Civil Liberties Committee adopts position on CSAR

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Post by eddtries »

zakary wrote: post #21
eddtries wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you explain big Pharma lobbying to stop reducing drug prices? For example, Democrats who held up drug pricing reforms were the largest beneficiaries of lobbyist money. https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/...

Everyone has a price, and drug companies can usually find a way to meet it for even the most steadfast

Yeah I agree, I was responding to

> If legislators feel strongly ideologically about an issue, no amount of lobbying will make them vote the other way.

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Post by rkangel »

This website is a throwback to a design choice that (thankfully) has mostly died off - choosing a mid-grey for your text, making it much more effort to read.

I used to have Stylebot pinned to my extensions to fix it, but haven't had to do it in ages. Designers - please don't do this.

(I think it comes from people designing on much higher contrast Apple monitors and not testing on anything else)

Re: EU Parliament Civil Liberties Committee adopts position on CSAR

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Post by eigenket »

eddtries wrote: post #18
PoignardAzur wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Contrary to popular opinion, lobbying isn't as simple as "pay for expensive restaurant, get votes". If legislators feel strongly ideologically about an issue, no amount of lobbying will make them vote the other way.

How do you explain big Pharma lobbying to stop reducing drug prices? For example, Democrats who held up drug pricing reforms were the largest beneficiaries of lobbyist money. https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/...

The short answer is that we're talking about the EU. Thats a US thing.

As far as I can tell looking from the outside the US system is set up so that if you aren't ridiculously wealthy yourself you pretty much need lobbyist money to fund your campaign to get elected.

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Post by waihtis »

eigenket wrote: post #19
waihtis wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The expert panel for this was truly a sight to behold, with majority representation coming from outside the EU (mostly american, but also canadian, new zealand and australian representation): https://twitter.com/SimoKohonen/status/1722635234116506052

I count 24 experts from 5 eyes countries and 8 from non 5 eyes countries. Not sure if thats relevant but it is funny.

I just think you might be onto something

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Post by ta1243 »

orian wrote: post #8
contrarian1234 wrote: post #6

Isn't this is already a solved problem? This feels like a huge loss for player like Signal that actually ensure privacy by design

It's not that simple. If the country introduces a legislation, every company operating in it's border must comply. If EU would introduce such legislation, it could potentially make software doing end2end encryption illegal. In such case, google would be removing it from EU Play Stores, and this would be more/less end of such messaging apps unless they comply. :-) This is why it's important to have a reasonable legisl…

> This is why it's important to have a reasonable legislature and laws.

And multiple points of control. In the EU the council acts as a check on populism through parliament (even if the nazis took over parliament it wouldn't give them a lot of power), parliament acts as a check on the council (even if the heads of 70% of EU countries decided something, parliament gets its say). Neither of those are the executive so they would be unable to push through laws which favour specific countries or groups of countries (as the commission are supposed to act primarily on behalf of the union, in the same way the US president is supposed to not favour his home state). Then outside of government you have the judiciary who look at the laws passed and interpret them in line with other laws, throwing out ones which are incompatible.

Re: EU Parliament Civil Liberties Committee adopts position on CSAR

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Post by madeofpalk »

eddtries wrote: post #18
PoignardAzur wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Contrary to popular opinion, lobbying isn't as simple as "pay for expensive restaurant, get votes". If legislators feel strongly ideologically about an issue, no amount of lobbying will make them vote the other way.

How do you explain big Pharma lobbying to stop reducing drug prices? For example, Democrats who held up drug pricing reforms were the largest beneficiaries of lobbyist money. https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/...

They don't feel strongly ideologically about an issue
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