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Get Offended More (2020)

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Re: Get Offended More (2020)

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post #8

Seems to be a long way of saying to go get offended but not too offended.

> Seems to be a long way of saying to go get offended but not too offended. Mmmh yeah, it's a little more than that. He suggest that being offended is OK, while taking unreasonable action because of said offense is not acceptable.

I read this as just another way for privilege to shut down discourse. "You're just offended."

Re: Get Offended More (2020)

#22

My motto is "Follow the Dread". If I dread public speaking I should do it, if I dread setting up IPsec VPNs I should do more of it, if I dread working with money and run a business as opposed to working solely as a technical person I should do it, so on and so forth. "The Dread" is a good north star for discovering what to improve next, since most Dreads are somewhat common/shared among peers, communities and colleag…

A personal anecdote: I don't like public speaking, but I do it frequently to large audiences. I became much better at it and I feel much less uncomfortable now than before.

...But the dread is still there. I still regret it every time I have to do it. It's just less stressful now.

Re: Get Offended More (2020)

#23
The title is misleading. He really advocates for leaving your comfort zone.

That said, I would really love it if everybody could calm down and stop getting offended so much.

Realize that from the perspective of the other person, YOU are the one spewing obvious falsehoods and uttering offensive things. Everybody is the hero in their story.

Yes, some trolls are out to cause offense. You know what empowers and enables those people? Success. If anyone actually does get offended by their trollery.

Re: Get Offended More (2020)

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I agree with the premise of this article; that discussion would be improved if we were more explicit about when we disagree and when we are offended.

However, it seems to me that conflating disagreement and offense, and in particular using that to shut down discussion, is a symptom not a root cause. I believe that the root cause is that one half of the current culture war has refused to recognize the validity of offense or prioritize the issues that are at the heart of the offense.

As a result, the other side has concluded that conflating disagreement & offense, and using that as a weapon against opponents, is their only option.

Re: Get Offended More (2020)

#26
post #7

TL;DR: - disagreeing and being offended aren't on the same level - getting offended is a good thing, it shows you care deeply about an issue, you should do it more - behaving like and ass***e because you're offended is not ok

For what it's worth, I'd interpret is as "disagreeing and being offended aren't the same" not that they aren't on the same level. I point that out, because I think that viewing them as on different levels could make the issue worse. It could basically mean that if someone wants their offense to be taken seriously, then they need to convince people that it's actually a disagreement.

Re: Get Offended More (2020)

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I agree with the premise of this article; that discussion would be improved if we were more explicit about when we disagree and when we are offended. However, it seems to me that conflating disagreement and offense, and in particular using that to shut down discussion, is a symptom not a root cause. I believe that the root cause is that one half of the current culture war has refused to recognize the validity of offe…

This is a great point. I suppose my hope is that by being less shutdown-offended yourself, you can have an open heart to those that are shutdown-offended. Because engaging with such people is crucial to understanding what’s actually going on (rather than just lobbing facts and conflicting histories back and forth). Trauma is real!

Re: Get Offended More (2020)

#28

I agree with the premise of this article; that discussion would be improved if we were more explicit about when we disagree and when we are offended. However, it seems to me that conflating disagreement and offense, and in particular using that to shut down discussion, is a symptom not a root cause. I believe that the root cause is that one half of the current culture war has refused to recognize the validity of offe…

This is a great point. I suppose my hope is that by being less shutdown-offended yourself, you can have an open heart to those that are shutdown-offended. Because engaging with such people is crucial to understanding what’s actually going on (rather than just lobbing facts and conflicting histories back and forth). Trauma is real!

Thanks for the reply! For what it's worth. After reading what I wrote again I think that this is a better way to put what I was saying: (I was going to edit my original, but I'll post it here since you've already replied.)

In terms of improving discussion by differentiating between disagreement and offense:

I think that in order for that to work, it is important that offense is treated as valid and worth addressing. First because, as the article points out, offense is often based on valid fears and concerns. Second because otherwise people will feel the need to present their offense as disagreement in order to get it taken seriously.

Re: Get Offended More (2020)

#30
I get what the author is trying to convey but for me, I find avoiding sources of offense leads to a happier life. Primarily, this means low social media consumption. I spend about 15 minutes a week catching up with the happenings of my family and a few actual friends. I try to ignore the rest, but even when I see something I disagree with or take offense to, I just don’t engage. I also try to mirror this in meatspace. I certainly like a debate with certain people, it’s a great conversation. But most people I find just like to argue and will stand their ground until death even when faced with evidence/proof/reason of the contrary. I don’t need that type of debate. I’m always willing to admit I may be wrong or have outdated/incomplete information and a lot of people just don’t engage on that same level. I suppose this represents the “shutting down” but why would I continue a conversation where someone is obviously having strong convictions and I believe it’s absolute rubbish (based on lies, wrong facts, regurgitated news media opinions as truths, etc)
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