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At SpaceX, worker injuries soar in Elon Musk's rush to Mars

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Re: At SpaceX, worker injuries soar in Elon Musk's rush to Mars

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Two of the examples of injuries sustained by workers given in the article sound like a lack of awareness of one’s personal safety was a major contributing factor in the accidents… Specifically, sitting on an unsecured load on a vehicle to hold it down, and being in close proximity to a rocket engine undergoing pressure testing.

I’m sure the lack of a culture of safety and availability of equipment bears some of the blame, but some responsibility has to rest with the individual to say “no, I don’t think it’s a good idea to put my head in there”.

Re: At SpaceX, worker injuries soar in Elon Musk's rush to Mars

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Germany, workplace injuries have gone continuously down over the decades [1], and at 1,827 per 1000 workers it's significantly less than the US with 2,7 [2]. The difference is pretty certainly due to way less regulations and enforcement in the US combined with way greedier employers. [1] https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/6051/umfrage/... [2] https://www.bls.gov/charts/injuries-and-illnesses/total-nonf…

For US readers - replace comma with dot, Germans (and most other europeans) use floats with comma.

We also call a BigMac a Royale with Cheese.

Re: At SpaceX, worker injuries soar in Elon Musk's rush to Mars

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This is a problem with workplace culture and corresponds to equally poor culture in the other companies Musk controls.

He's moving fast and breaking things, namely people, be it his customers or employees.

But no problem: pay a fine, roll out another phalanx of lawyers and there is little real cost. If CEOs were prosecuted for negligent homicide the number of preventable workplace and product deaths would surely drop to zero.

Re: At SpaceX, worker injuries soar in Elon Musk's rush to Mars

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Not here defending SpaceX, cannot speak for some of the specific cases like the individual who was sitting on top of a truck to hold a load down. What I don't like though is the lack of real comparison. It reads more like a hit piece against spacex with all the specific examples of cases that tug at the heart. Would like to see some better comparison, I don't know how realistic the space industry average is. How many companies are in the space industry.

The BLS total recordable cases for all US report in 2022 (cases involving days away from work and other) is 2.7 per 100. Would have liked the article to dive more into the data details instead of the specific cases. Too easy to focus on specific cases and ignore what the data means. I am not sure if comparing this to other space industry companies is fair. I have no idea who is included but are the engineers on a team included in these worker counts? So my best comparison is the total rate listed by BLS which is 2.7/100.

Re: At SpaceX, worker injuries soar in Elon Musk's rush to Mars

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As some who worked there for 4.5 years, this is an accurate description of the work culture at SpaceX. You sacrifice safety for speed. As a young person it’s an opportunity to take on a lot responsibilities, but at that point in your life you don’t have the fortitude to tell Elon, who does push the agenda directly to personnel, to say you do not deem this task safe/smart/responsible. Gwynn is a sly leader that tries to balance out Elon and non-Elon agendas, but will capitulate to Elon on a regular basis. You definitely do get fired for delaying any Elon focused project, regardless of the reason, if you’re annoying enough or easily replaceable. If you want to go toe to toe with Elon you better be the most productive person, with a good track record, have a rare skill set or knowledge, and be willing to risk your career.

Re: At SpaceX, worker injuries soar in Elon Musk's rush to Mars

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Two of the examples of injuries sustained by workers given in the article sound like a lack of awareness of one’s personal safety was a major contributing factor in the accidents… Specifically, sitting on an unsecured load on a vehicle to hold it down, and being in close proximity to a rocket engine undergoing pressure testing. I’m sure the lack of a culture of safety and availability of equipment bears some of the b…

Its a balance. Thats why its important to have someone on the job site watching and noting issues for correction. Workers do not always think about their safety but want to get the job done as quickly and easily as possible, even if that puts their own lives as risk.

Re: At SpaceX, worker injuries soar in Elon Musk's rush to Mars

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I'm still unsure as to why people are blaming Elon when I've been continuously told on this site that Glenn Shotwell is running everything.

when bad things happen, elon is responsible. when good things happen, elon had nothing to do with it, he's useless and only do harm.

The thing is that the bad things are usually failures of management, the good things are feats of engineering. Elon Musk is despite the title he bestowed upon himself, not a rocket scientist. He's an ideas guy at worst and an activist executive at best.

That the first three Tesla models spell out "S3X" is entirely on him. That they're fairly decent electrical cars is not. That there are superchargers everywhere is on him. That they work isn't. Based on his own statements, his public actions and credible allegations against him, workplace safety is not something he has any interest in and is willing to sacrifice when it inconveniences him, even aesthetically. He wants to move fast and break things, including manufacturing workers.

If you really think that someone who spent more time in his career networking, giving interviews, schmoozing and being CEO and representitive figurehead of multiple companies at the same time is also personally responsible for the engineering achievements of even one of those companies, you're delusional. It is however fairly easy in that kind of position to get in the way of good or important things.

This is where the industry in-jokes about clueless managers and "pointy-haired bosses" came from as well as the design advise to always include one glaring mistake because managers (or clients) want to feel like they contributed something and giving them an easy error to catch is safer than risking "actual input" from them. I don't know if it's the lies we tell ourselves because we want to be entrepreneurs without sacrificing our craftsmanship or the mythological narratives that drive the ever-increasing tech bubble, but somewhere along the way some of us have started getting high on our own supply and started to believe that people like Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos or Steve Jobs are actual geniuses (I think it started with Steve Jobs) rather than just very successful sales people with some broad baseline technical understanding that is enough to judge some technical decisions but not enough to make them alone.

Re: At SpaceX, worker injuries soar in Elon Musk's rush to Mars

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Two of the examples of injuries sustained by workers given in the article sound like a lack of awareness of one’s personal safety was a major contributing factor in the accidents… Specifically, sitting on an unsecured load on a vehicle to hold it down, and being in close proximity to a rocket engine undergoing pressure testing. I’m sure the lack of a culture of safety and availability of equipment bears some of the b…

This is why employees (usually) receive occupational safety training. You can't control employee's every move, but they fact that several people thought this was ok points to corporate failure, not an individual.
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