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FBI and Austria's C4 Hit Z-Library with a New Wave of Domain Seizures

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Re: FBI and Austria's C4 Hit Z-Library with a New Wave of Domain Seizures

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Post by jowea »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #8
wuiheerfoj wrote: post #2

At some point in the future, people will look back at things like this in utter confusion - jail-time and a massive waste of police resources in order to stop people from sharing books…

They aren't worried about people sharing books at this point, or at least they shouldn't be. They're worried about people building their own models. Here's something I'd pay for (probably with some sort of sketchy crypto, sadly): send me a huge-ass hard drive (or array of drives) with a complete mirror of Z-Library, Library Genesis, and sci-hub on it.

Isn't anyone capable of building their own models technically sophisticated enough to get around basically any normal anti-piracy measure? Or for that matter has already downloaded all the books?

Re: FBI and Austria's C4 Hit Z-Library with a New Wave of Domain Seizures

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Post by ourmandave »

wuiheerfoj wrote: post #2

At some point in the future, people will look back at things like this in utter confusion - jail-time and a massive waste of police resources in order to stop people from sharing books…

If you're an author whose livelihood depends on sales, would you still call it sharing?

Re: FBI and Austria's C4 Hit Z-Library with a New Wave of Domain Seizures

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Post by sandworm101 »

ourmandave wrote: post #22
wuiheerfoj wrote: post #2

At some point in the future, people will look back at things like this in utter confusion - jail-time and a massive waste of police resources in order to stop people from sharing books…

If you're an author whose livelihood depends on sales, would you still call it sharing?

Yes. Many do. Dig deeper and it is often the publishers rather than creators pushing such bans. Authors want sales, but in such a competative industry the increased publicity from illegal sharing can be worth more than hypothetical lost sales. Publishers have different motivations as they manage catalogs rather than individual books.

Re: FBI and Austria's C4 Hit Z-Library with a New Wave of Domain Seizures

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Post by canimaginelol »

sandworm101 wrote: post #20

Banning sites that share books. I guess they have already addressed all the illegal pornography, music, pirated soccer games, terrorism, offshore gambling, harrassment, credit card fraud, antiseminitism, homophobia, body shaming, fake news, doxing, zero day sales, and every other great evil on the internet. It has been a long journey, but now that all those are dealt with, we can now crack down on people wanting to r…

Somewhere at a dinner table. The son who looks upon his father as the victor of the west. He utters that daily question steeped in curiosity:

An you Dad, how did you spend your day in service of our cause?

After a pause, which might be a hint of an amount of independent thinking, but not really.

The father responds: I protected America by preventing poor people from reading enough books!

What a world we live in. Can't wait to see what's next.

Re: FBI and Austria's C4 Hit Z-Library with a New Wave of Domain Seizures

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Post by faeriechangling »

There’s many laws not worth their enforcement costs.

These seizures are some of the only legal actions which are just emblematic of pure corruption. The government serving the interests of middlemen whose primary impact on science is making it less accessible and charging rents on it. It’s a hellish parody of copyright law.

If I worked for Elsevier I’d feel worse about what I did for a living than if I worked for Marlboro.

Re: FBI and Austria's C4 Hit Z-Library with a New Wave of Domain Seizures

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Post by [deleted] »

sandworm101 wrote: post #20

Banning sites that share books. I guess they have already addressed all the illegal pornography, music, pirated soccer games, terrorism, offshore gambling, harrassment, credit card fraud, antiseminitism, homophobia, body shaming, fake news, doxing, zero day sales, and every other great evil on the internet. It has been a long journey, but now that all those are dealt with, we can now crack down on people wanting to r…

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Re: FBI and Austria's C4 Hit Z-Library with a New Wave of Domain Seizures

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Post by janosdebugs »

WhatsName wrote: post #9
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #7

So much for Austria's so called "neutrality".

How is the promise to never again participate in warfare compromised? Clearly participating in international criminal investigations is not a military act.

Nitpick: never is a strong word to use, the neutrality can be revoked by an act of parliment. See https://www.parlament.gv.at/fachinfos/rlw/Was-macht-die-oest...

Re: FBI and Austria's C4 Hit Z-Library with a New Wave of Domain Seizures

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Post by sandworm101 »

mtmail wrote: post #19
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #7

So much for Austria's so called "neutrality".

Austria might be neutral on warfare and multi-national defense agreement (not a member of NATO) but I think that's a separate issue from copyright law. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Neutrality

They may not be nato, but australia is part of the five eyes and the new submarine tech deal. Australia is very big on multi-national defense.

Re: FBI and Austria's C4 Hit Z-Library with a New Wave of Domain Seizures

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Post by momirlan »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #8
wuiheerfoj wrote: post #2

At some point in the future, people will look back at things like this in utter confusion - jail-time and a massive waste of police resources in order to stop people from sharing books…

They aren't worried about people sharing books at this point, or at least they shouldn't be. They're worried about people building their own models. Here's something I'd pay for (probably with some sort of sketchy crypto, sadly): send me a huge-ass hard drive (or array of drives) with a complete mirror of Z-Library, Library Genesis, and sci-hub on it.

problem is keeping up with the volume of new books/articles coming out daily.

Re: FBI and Austria's C4 Hit Z-Library with a New Wave of Domain Seizures

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Post by momirlan »

__fst__ wrote: post #18
sneak wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It makes a lot more sense when you realize that the machinery of the state (including especially law enforcement) exists solely to preserve and maintain the existing socioeconomic order and not to, you know, enforce laws or protect the public. The system is working as designed. Once you see it, you cannot unsee it. It’s everywhere. https://youtube.com/watch?v=A0wMSNlBBjc

I'd rather have someone maintain existing socioeconomic order than a total breakdown like, e.g. Haiti where random gangs control the city.

safest place for that is in a communist state, where crime is a monopoly of the Party.
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