Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

"I'm calling from Israeli intelligence"

bbc.co.uk

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

21–30 of 54 posts

Re: "I'm calling from Israeli intelligence"

#21

Post by eberkund »

dragonwriter wrote: post #17
asddubs wrote: post #7

Weird to see all these comments calling the army generous. They didn't have to bomb a civilian block at all.

Especially given the Israeli government's historical role in both initially fostering the development of Hamas and more recently continuing to work to strengthen it as a means of dividing Palestinians and having a less sympathetic enemy to, particularly, secular Western nations than the less-Islamist, more-secular-Arab-nationalist PLO and later Fatah and the Palestinian Authority to serve as a pretext to avoid pressu…

Would you have been against granting Israeli work permits to Palestinians or allowing funding to to enter Gaza?

I read the article you shared and other than the unconfirmed paraphrasing of Netanyahu at the 2019 meeting, the actual policies come across as something that would work to improve relations. Work permits, more freedom, "turning a blind eye" to sustained rocket attacks.

Re: "I'm calling from Israeli intelligence"

#23

Post by orionsbelt »

asddubs wrote: post #20
jiggawatts wrote: post #18

One side is trying to minimise civilian causalities, and is failing to completely achieve that. The other side is trying to maximise civilian causalities, and is failing to completely achieve that. I'll let you choose which you think has the moral high ground. Use the up vote button if you think minimisation is good, and down vote if you think maximisation is good.

This logic only works if in your mind hamas = palestine

You can only say that America was the morally superior party in WW2 if in your mind Nazis = Germany.

At that time, for purposes of the war, that was true, as the Nazis controlled Germany, just like Hamas now controls Gaza. That’s not to say innocent people aren’t sadly dying, but that’s the case in any war.

Re: "I'm calling from Israeli intelligence"

#24

Post by T1tt »

mdp2021 wrote: post #19
T1tt wrote: post #11

why is politics/news even on hackernews?

This is «politics» in terms of game theory, it is «news» in terms of occasion, and can claim some right to be here for its share of intellectual interest in the dynamics involved.

you know what would be a more interesting discussion? how russia and iran are using any army of bots and people behind the screen to sway public opinion; our actual democracy has been errroding for years and noone wants to talk about it.

Re: "I'm calling from Israeli intelligence"

#25

Post by orionsbelt »

asddubs wrote: post #7

Weird to see all these comments calling the army generous. They didn't have to bomb a civilian block at all.

You have no idea why they did it. Of course, neither do I. But I suspect they had good reason.

Rockets also continue to be fired daily from civilian areas of Gaza into Israel. When the rockets stop — whether because Hamas surrenders, runs out of weapons, or otherwise — I’ll be more inclined to think a bombing is presumptively unnecessary.

Re: "I'm calling from Israeli intelligence"

#26

Post by Jochim »

asddubs wrote: post #7

Weird to see all these comments calling the army generous. They didn't have to bomb a civilian block at all.

The number of people who unquestioningly believe Israel's propaganda is genuinely concerning.

We have people referring to the kindness of a military that dropped more bombs in a week than were dropped the first year of the Iraq war.

A military that openly targets children, journalists, and medical personnel.

The unquestioning acceptance that every target struck is a Hamas militant/base.

The leaders of Israel openly referring to all palestinians as non-human animals and invoking bible verses that openly call for their genocide.

The generosity of the IDF was made plain when one of the hostages revealed that they shelled their own villages, killing both Israeli hostages and Hamas indiscriminately.

Re: "I'm calling from Israeli intelligence"

#28

Post by tomjen3 »

asddubs wrote: post #7

Weird to see all these comments calling the army generous. They didn't have to bomb a civilian block at all.

Most of these posts are from bots (at least on Reddit). There is a propaganda war going on in cyberspace and Israel is trying to not lose it.

Too bad, because every time I hear that countries name I think of screaming Palestinian children with limbs ripped off and then some guy in a fancy suit saying “of course we try to minimise civilian casualties, but under the law of war bla bla bla “.

And you can kinda see how they can never win that.

Re: "I'm calling from Israeli intelligence"

#29

Post by throwitagain27 »

jiggawatts wrote: post #18

One side is trying to minimise civilian causalities, and is failing to completely achieve that. The other side is trying to maximise civilian causalities, and is failing to completely achieve that. I'll let you choose which you think has the moral high ground. Use the up vote button if you think minimisation is good, and down vote if you think maximisation is good.

[flagged]
Post reply on HN