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Gen Z wants to retire early. They're off to a good start

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Re: Gen Z wants to retire early. They're off to a good start

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Translated: They did not experience a stock-market crash yet and the societal memory of risky behaviour resulting in a stock market crash fades.

Well, there haven't been real big, bad crashes in the living memory. And anyway, this isn't what investors are worried about - they are worried about protracted bear markets.

Other than 2008, you mean?

Re: Gen Z wants to retire early. They're off to a good start

#22

> For Gen Zs, there seems to be a correlation between gambling and investing—particularly, high-risk investing. In the United States, 61% of surveyed Gen Z investors said they gamble online or in person, compared with 29% of non-investors surveyed. Their propensity for gambling is also associated with riskier investments; 70% of US Gen Z investors who gamble frequently invest in crypto, and 38% invest in non-fungible…

I'm reminded of the midwit meme.

Low end of bell curve: Invest in index funds

Hump of bell curve (midwits): STONKS!!!

High end of bell curve: Invest in index funds

Re: Gen Z wants to retire early. They're off to a good start

#23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, there haven't been real big, bad crashes in the living memory. And anyway, this isn't what investors are worried about - they are worried about protracted bear markets.

Other than 2008, you mean?

Maybe 2008 doesn't count because that's when they realized you could just print money any time the economy blinked and that would fix everything.

Re: Gen Z wants to retire early. They're off to a good start

#24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, there haven't been real big, bad crashes in the living memory. And anyway, this isn't what investors are worried about - they are worried about protracted bear markets.

Other than 2008, you mean?

I was a freshman in college the week that crash happened. Called my dad and asked him how he was faring and he offhandedly mentioned losing $250k in 3 days. He wasn't concerned because he was 10+ years from retirement and confident he'd make it all back with a bit of work, but it was still eye opening and it definitely affected how I chose to invest my own money as I got older. I'm much more conservative and hands-off with it than he ever was. I'm still doing well compared to my peers, but I'm behind where thinks I should be.

Re: Gen Z wants to retire early. They're off to a good start

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm saying the article is saying they need 3 million before entering retirement.

Yes, that's right. Assuming a typical lifespan, they will have 20 years left in ~40 years. Assuming a 2% inflation rate, $3 million in 40 years is equivalent to ~$600,000 today. A 60 year old holding $600,000 today does not seem like that high of a bar.

He means the article is saying they will need $3 million in today's dollars to retire

Re: Gen Z wants to retire early. They're off to a good start

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm saying the article is saying they need 3 million before entering retirement.

Yes, that's right. Assuming a typical lifespan, they will have 20 years left in ~40 years. Assuming a 2% inflation rate, $3 million in 40 years is equivalent to ~$600,000 today. A 60 year old holding $600,000 today does not seem like that high of a bar.

> A 60 year old holding $600,000 today does not seem like that high of a bar.

Gen Z isn't 60 years old today. They don't have 600k, and for them, it is a high bar.

Re: Gen Z wants to retire early. They're off to a good start

#27
post #18

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The study said four in five gen z investors . I wonder how many of those gen z investors maybe bought a little crypto along the way when it was a fad.

Or got Robin Hood account and deposited minimum amount of money to speculate on whatever...

Yes, thats what they mean by "investing". I don't consider meme stocks investing, but I'm a grumpy Gen Xer.

Re: Gen Z wants to retire early. They're off to a good start

#28

> For Gen Zs, there seems to be a correlation between gambling and investing—particularly, high-risk investing. In the United States, 61% of surveyed Gen Z investors said they gamble online or in person, compared with 29% of non-investors surveyed. Their propensity for gambling is also associated with riskier investments; 70% of US Gen Z investors who gamble frequently invest in crypto, and 38% invest in non-fungible…

Translated: They did not experience a stock-market crash yet and the societal memory of risky behaviour resulting in a stock market crash fades.

Well, from what I've seen the propensity for gambling increases in post-crash poor societies...

Re: Gen Z wants to retire early. They're off to a good start

#30

> Given that financial advisors say that Gen Z will need roughly $3 million for a 20-year retirement — a high bar even for smart money managers If we assume a 2% inflation rate going forward, that's only ~$600,000 in today's dollars. Seems like a relatively low bar, no?

That's not how it works.

They'll need the equivalent of today's $3 million in inflation-adjusted dollars for the time they retire.

What you're saying amounts to a Zimbabwean being able to retire with his lunch money AFTER the country got 1000x inflation and everybody had trillions in their pockets just to get some food for the day - based on the purchasing power of that amount before the inflation.

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